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Israel has vowed to retaliate after Iran launched a barrage of ballistic missiles at targets across Israel in a dramatic intensification of a conflict that appeared to be escalating out of control.

“Iran made a big mistake tonight – and it will pay for it,” Benjamin Netanyahu told a meeting of his security cabinet late on Tuesday. “The regime in Iran does not understand our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate against our enemies.”

The unprecedented Iranian salvo of more than 180 ballistic missiles came less than 24 hours after the Israeli prime minister ordered the largest ground incursion into southern Lebanon in a generation.

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[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Great example to discuss! I'll point out that the r9x used in that strike is considered a precision weapon. Again, targeting and precision are two different things.

It feels like you're conflating the two - do you consider them to be the same?

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're different things but they do complement each other. You can't have a targeted attack without some high level of precision. I'm genuinely struggling to think of an example a "targeted attack" without some kind of precision applied in the attack.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So in this case, I'd suggest that it was a targeted attack, because there's definitely credit due for setting up shell companies to infiltrate the supply chain to modify devices that are very much only for Hezbollah members to use for Hezbollah activities.

However, the actual method of killing wasn't precise enough in the sense that there were too many civilian casualties. I'm talking out of my ass here, but if the payload was instead ye olde polonium poisoning on a needle that you'd get pricked when changing the battery, for example, that'd be a very precise and targeted strike.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

I would say the polonium needle example you provided would be an example of a much more precise and targeted attack, yes. I still fail to see how you could define the blowing up a bunch of pagers as targeted. Even if the pagers were meant exclusively for Hezbollah. The only way I could kind of see your argument is if all targets were confirmed to be in military bases or something like that. The fact that these were blown up in civilian areas like homes, schools, stores, etc and that civilians actually died because of it, discredits the "targeted" claim in my opinion.