1
US says it wants Palestinians to have a country of their own – but its actions say otherwise
(theconversation.com)
this post was submitted on 23 Jul 2024
1 points (100.0% liked)
World News
39102 readers
2192 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
It doesnt work like that, Hamas wants Israel to be wiped off from existence and kill all jews globally, that is stated in their constitution...
Right now, Hamas killed all opposition and their propaganda is deeply rooted into the majority of palestinian population.
It is clearly not as simple as getting rid of all these illegal settlers...
Not that Hamas are great guys or anything but they have changed their charta and have agreed to a 2 state solution. They are more moderate than the Israeli government although that isn’t particularly challenging. I wouldn’t want to live under a corrupt and authoritarian organization like Hamas so not even trying to defend them but this comment is wildly inaccurate.
Can you explain what exactly is Hamas‘ propaganda and why you believe that it has any relevance right now? Hamas is only influential in the Gaza Strip where the population right now is busy surviving a genocide. In the West Bank and in diaspora, Hamas is basically irrelevant.
That being said I also want Israel to be wiped off from existence because a settler colonial apartheid state that commits genocide shouldn’t exist. There should be a democratic state instead that gives everyone equal rights and also respects the Palestinian right of return.
Right now, Hamas agrees to a 2 state solution, which would be a start. Right now, the Israelis have decided that they oppose such a solution. Israelis want all of Palestine without the Palestinians. The USA, UK & Germany are providing rhetorical and political support for this policy. That needs to change before any armed resistance becomes unnecessary.
Gaza was already an independant palestinian state, and it is a shit hole thanks to Hamas...
Anyone believing that Hamas would step down once a two state solution is achieved is dumb. Hamas is Iran puppet, they dont give a shit about palestinian...
Gaza has never been anything like „an independent Palestinian state“ it’s been an open air prison ever since Israel withdrew their settlers. Hamas sucks but they are not the problem, the problem is that Zionists want all of Palestine without Palestinians.
Hamas is the problem, Hezbollah is the problem and Iran is the problem.
Illegal settlers would not be a problem if Hamas was doing its job: protecting palestinians instead of attacking peaceful population (be it egyptian, israeli or palestinian themselves...).
Glad the consensus of global power agree with me!
The ICJ just recognized the fact, that Gaza was and still is occupied. There was never an independent state. Fuck off with your desinformation.
Ah yes "occupied", so occupied that there was Hamas tunnels everywhere, that terrorists could freely set up rocket site launch, hide captured civilians, etc... Fuck off with your ignorance...
Friendly reminder that Israel has been propping up Hamas for the last 20 years, as a way to kill off the PLO
"Israel far right government" yes. So yes, we should get rid of Hamas and Israel far right government (including israeli illegal settlers).
Israeli government. Voted in by enough Israelis to represent them and tolerable enough for the remainder as they didn’t even attempt to overthrow them.
Israel is not getting out of the blame for this, it can’t be shifted onto just the far right.
Voted in because of constant Hamas attacks on Israel, aiming also at the 20% of israeli muslims...
So if we follow your logic, all palestinians support Hamas which is recognized as terrorist group by most of the World including arabs countries, thus Israel is not doing a genocide at all, but cleansing the region from terrorists...
the 1988 Hamas charter was widely described as antisemitic, Hamas's 2017 charter removed the antisemitic language and said Hamas's struggle was with Zionists, not Jews.
Gaza was already an independant palestinian state, and it is a shit hole thanks to Hamas...
Anyone believing that Hamas would step down once a two state solution is achieved is dumb. Hamas is Iran puppet, they dont give a shit about palestinian...
Your opinions are not relevant to the factual error I was correcting.
Not an opinion buddy, Hamas is an Iran puppet, thats a fact... But i guess you cant support truth cause you might be biased?
Good thing that your voice has no importance whatsoever and that most of global power agree on the truth...
The point is that your "facts" are irrelevant to the topic of Hamas's charter.
Now, admit that you misrepresented the goals of Hamas.
Glad you agreed, so lets sum it up:
Hamas like Hezbollah is an iranian puppet.
Iran wants to erase Israel and spread its influence over every other arabs nation
Thus Hamas wants to erase from existence Israel.
There cannot be peace for palestinian and israeli as long as Hamas exists.
Best solution to begin peace creation: cleansing Hamas militants in the region.
You are welcome buddy, glad i helped you improve your knowledge on the region and reduced a little bit your ignorance...
Glad you no longer believe that Hamas want to "Kill all Jews globally".
You are welcome buddy.
They would like to, if they succeed in destroying Israel, they will keep going expanding globally, no doubt about that.
But obviously, the arab league and Israel wont accept this BS any longer from Iran. Hamas will disappear, every countries accepted Gaza fate, sad but necessary evil. Hezbollah will follow quickly after. And its for the better, no doubt about this.
It actually does. This happens when you massacres the Palestinian race and steal land since 1948 meanwhile making Apartheid, humiliate the Palestinian people, steal their homes, kill their entire families, acquaintances and friends. At one point, people will break and do anything to fight back. Thats exactly what's happening right now.
The biggest Hamas propoganda is Israel. Happens when you keep murdering entire families, steal homes, lands and do not give actual human rights to the Palestinian people.
No, you don't say? Thought it was! /s.
EDIT: Forgot to add this:
Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center.
Death toll in Israeli attack on displaced Palestinians in Rafah rises to 45.
Israeli forces’ systemic denial of fair trial rights to Palestinian child prisoners amounts to arbitrary detention.
Israel prevents hundreds of worshippers from entering Al-Aqsa on first night of Ramadan.
Israel's PM Netanyahu 'proud' of preventing establishment of a Palestinian state.
Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option, PM suspends him from cabinet meetings.
Israel Defense Minister Calls Palestinians ‘Human Animals’ Amid Israeli Aggression.
Video shows Israeli settler trying to take over Palestinian house.
Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
Gaza was already an independant palestinian state, and it is a shit hole thanks to Hamas...
Anyone believing that Hamas would step down once a two state solution is achieved is dumb. Hamas is Iran puppet, they dont give a shit about palestinian...
You have not provided once with an actual source to any of the people (including myself) that commented to you. You are merely stating your personal opinion and I don’t care about your personal opinions. I care about actual facts.
And guess who funded Hamas the entire time? Israel. It is a chaotic mess because Israel does not allow people to leave the open air prison. Hamas members only know war due to Israel’s behavior towards the Palestinian people, Hamas is a literal creation of Israel immense fascistic behavior to the Palestinian people.
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’
And all you do is speaking with personal opinion which is drenched in bias. Hamas cares about a Palestinian state. That’s why they were created and are fighting against the tyrant. Against the illegal state Israel which is founded by displacing 750 000, murdering many along the way. Israel is occupying their land.
If you want to discuss about history and political matters. You ought to be educated in it and not just having personal opinions. Read a book for example; ilan pape the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Since you are only writing with bias and personal opinion and provide zero evidence, sources and facts. I will stop commenting to you and ignore you.
EDIT:
I would like to state that Gaza never has been a independent place. The moment Israel settlers left, Israel made it an open-air prison. My second source proves this. So you are basically lying to try to get your personal opinion (drenched in bias) as ''truth''. That's not how it works.
"Israel far right government" yes. So yes, we should get rid of Hamas and Israel far right government (including israeli illegal settlers).