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What a word salad of a headline. Did the officers wound the four that got wounded? Did the man with the knife wound them? Was the man with the knife involved with the shooting at all? Really confusing.
Yes. The cops shot 4 people. The man with the knife, two random people on the train, and one of the cops. One of the random people is in the hospital with brain swelling, and may be brain dead.
The cops claimed they had to open fire because the knife wielding man charged them. This video shows he did no such thing when they shot him, he wasn't even waving it around. He turned his head with his hands down on at sides, his back to the train, standing still. That's when two of the cops opened fire on him and a crowded train.
The article that is linked explains what happened.
Let's get one thing clear, he definitely chased a cop with the knife out. Clearly unstable and screamed "shoot" several times during the encounter. I say that to demonstrate his state of mind, not that people who say that should be shot.
The suspect charging the cop is at the linked timestamp: https://youtu.be/-EaAraFPzEo?t=952
Yes, at one point they had a justification to fire, although that was clearly a dangerous action at any point. They did not have a reason to shoot him and the 3 other people when they did.
There needs to be an imminent threat to them or bystanders when using deadly force. He was an immediate threat to neither at the time. Their recklessness has effectively ended one innocent persons life, and injured several other people.
Stopwatch estimate - that one point was at most 2.75 seconds before the first shot was fired.
Guns (violent use thereof)/violence suck, feel like you would need a lifetime of training to ignore the adrenaline that had built three seconds earlier and be able to say to yourself “OK, I was being chased with a knife just now but upon turning my head I was no longer being chased so back to verbal negotiations“.
[not defending anybody but-]
If I studied for a quiz with the question:
…and the study material were copies of every police training manual in the world… and every single training manual said:
…I would answer the question “you’re gonna get shot” :)
Poor bystanders :(
I am enjoying the heavy peppering of "not defending the cops, but" every few sentences as you defend them, but overall these cops let adrenaline override good sense and what I expect is at least some training to shoot wildly at a train car full of people.
All to "stop" a man who was not actively working to injury them or others. Their lack of professionalism and reliance on dumping lead into a crowded train has left an innocent man now effectively dead.
No amount of "poor bystanders, but with emoji sad face" will make their actions okay. A hearty "thoughts and prayers" isn't enough here.
Don’t believe we disagree
it says shooting that wounded 4 people. the guy had a knife. unless you know how to shoot with a knife, it's obvious that the cops wounded them.
It's ambiguous - is the "subway shooting" referring to the police shooting, or were the police responding to a separate shooting, and someone involved in that shooting also had a knife?
fair enough, but at this point you're not cooperating. if the shooting was separate they would have mentioned it: ... firing at man with knife while responding to shooting...