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What do you think the voting age should be? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by hellabryanstyle@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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About two years ago now, I was sitting on a bench in Central Park writing my initial thoughts on what I didn't know then but would come to know as Youth Rights.

I don't think I'll ever remember why she did, but about halfway through the day Greta Thunberg came to mind, and I looked up the voting age in Sweden. And my blood boiled in a way I've never experienced in my entire life.

16 years old and one of the most famous and recognizable political activists in the world. 16 years old giving a confident, impassioned, admonishing speech to the fucking UN. 16 years old with no legal right to a voice in her country. No voice to vote for the policies she believed in or the people who might enact them.

My writing, already vitriolic to a fault, managed to become even moreso but with the topic abruptly switched to voting. For the first time in my life, I considered where I'd place the voting age if I could do so unilaterally. Not long into considering it I had a thought that I wrote down immediately, a question I've asked well over 100 times at this point with no substantial answer:

When is it reasonable to say to a person, 'If you're not at least this old, then I don't give a fuck what you think'?

And from the moment I had that thought, I have been unable to place the voting age.

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[–] hellabryanstyle@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

14 is typically the minimum age to have a job (in the US at least).

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago

Then that's the age we should be able to vote.

And if people don't like it, maybe we outlaw child labor. 🤷‍♀️

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's 12 in the US for agricultural jobs. That's when I started corn detassling and tree trimming and filed my first taxes.

Don't forget acting too. There are babies and toddlers acting and working for pay.

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

12? Agriculture is completely exempt from child labor laws. There are 8 year olds working those fields.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 2 points 2 months ago

Eh, close. No age limits if it's the child's family farm. Otherwise, it has to be on a farm already not under minimum wage laws plus a waiver plus limited to short-season harvesting. Which is all super easy to abuse and work around. Personally, I never saw it and heard it happens way more in the southern US states.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was offered a job at a computer repair shop at age 14. Dude had to retract his offer when I told him my age, he assumed I was 17 or older.

Mississippi.

[–] hellabryanstyle@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to this it would have been legal to hire you. There's a lot of restrictions when it comes to number of hours and time of day that minors are allowed to work though which is probably what they didn't want to deal with.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Interesting. I'm not quite sure what the laws were back in 1996, but yeah with school and all, plus the travel distance of over 30 miles, even if it was legal for me to work a few hours a day after school, it wouldn't have been practical at all.

Still nice that he offered the job, I was trying to brainstorm and troubleshoot why my first sound card didn't work. Turned out he got a defective batch, like 3 other customers had the same issues.

He knew I did all the proper troubleshooting already. Honestly I forget what model sound card it was, but once I proved it didn't work, he gave me a different card that cost twice as much, for no extra money.