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Got greeted with this message today. I've been playing Apex on linux for more than a year. Not sure if this could be related? Is this just me?

I've contested the ban and I'm currently waiting for a response from ea support.

UPDATE : Got an email response from EA today. It's basically a generic message saying that my account was associated with "cheating practices" and so they will not remove the ban.

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous! I've been playing this game since 2020 and have 3K+ hours on record, now this shit happens and there's no recourse ? Fuck this company.

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You call this circular conversation because you cant prove that he is not cheating anymore than I can.

Yet you sit here trying to argue that OP IS a cheater and you cannot prove it, you sit here trying to foster ill will towards OP. No one needs to prove OP isn't a cheater, OP doesn't need to try and prove this to you either, much less to you. You however need to cough up the proof that he is though, otherwise it is an unmerited accusation on your own assumptions, in other-words a baseless claim. No one owes anyone proof that their baseless accusations aren't true, especially to random dudes online such as yourself.

The only thing we know for sure is that his account is banned.

Thanks captain obvious, no one is contesting or trying to argue otherwise. If you feel they are you either misread/misunderstood something or are deliberately misrepresenting as part of a bad faith argument to attack arguments we never made, typically called a strawman argument.

I been playing video games all my life and I have never been banned. Believe what ever you want to believe just don’t try and feed me shit about a topic Im very fluent in.

Translation: You've been unchallenged for many years in your claims that random players who were banned must in fact be cheaters and you're upset that someone is finally challenging and calling out your faulty arguments with facts and logic, and pointing out exactly why they are faulty arguments, typically made in bad faith by trolls. Something that is not only uncomfortable for you but also weakens future arguments you may make since people know the trick and aren't going to be as likely to submit without challenging you.

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can prove it…open your eyes and see picture OP posted ill even read it for you. “Permanently banned” the definition of permanently is for ever. You are not challenging shit!

Ok, so in Good faith I have proof that he was banned and again permanently banned. Do you know what happens the first time you cheat and get caught?? You dont get a permanent ban the 1st offense.

But keep defending a total stranger!

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can prove it…open your eyes and see picture OP posted ill even read it for you. “Permanently banned” the definition of permanently is for ever. You are not challenging shit!

You are a troll for sure, this is classic strawmanning. It's already been thoroughly explained that no one is challenging the nature of OP being banned yet you keep making us out to be because it's the only thing you can actually refute or prove with any certainty. It's strawmanning because nor did I or anyone else here argue it.

Ok, so in Good faith I have proof that he was banned and again permanently banned. Do you know what happens the first time you cheat and get caught?? You dont get a permanent ban the 1st offense.

I think it's clear you don't play EA games or play on Linux or you'd know that this isn't correct. It's an assumption, and like many assumptions it can be correct, but it can also be wrong, and reality isn't kind to this one, boy oh boy:

Many people have been permanently banned by EA as a first offense, a lot of this could easily be found with a simple web search.

But keep defending a total stranger!

Hmm so what you're saying is that I should instead listen to you, a person who is also a total stranger, one who has a history of trolling and bad faith arguments? As opposed to the OP who has a comprehensive and rational explanation of the situation which you have provided no convincing counter arguments to, only circular arguments and strawman.

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would a game ban its player base on a different OS. All the money is green! Its a bad excuse for getting banned. But if it makes you feel better.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indeed it makes no sense, but EA is famous for doing things that make no sense, harm their reputation and playerbase. For someone who claims to be knowledgeable you should indeed already know this about EA. Yet you somehow consider them trustworthy, and wonder why people think you are a troll.

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait! 1st we were blaming proton then linux now EA! man you are all over the place. I guess it's more likely that one of these things fucked up and got him banned right? instead of this dude actually cheating and posting it @linuxgaming. If I learned anything about cheaters is that they are not very smart or any good at a video games.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People weren't blaming proton or linux for him being banned, it's well known that it's because of EA and the anti-cheat they use being unreliable and them being unwilling to address the issues with false bans to linux users. Your bad faith misrepresentation just further erodes your credibility here, like no one here can read this and not think of you as a troll. This isn't Steamcommunity where bad faith accusations trying to foster ill-will towards someone are seen as good or acceptable, people here see them for what they are.

Oh yeah, and no you aren't being oppressed or mistreated by being called out for your baseless claims or the fact that you are using tactics employed by trolls and bad faith actors. That's not a valid basis for being abused or harassed, that is you being held accountable for actions and behavior which is seen as undesirable. The difference between what you are doing and what I and others here are doing is that the bad things you claim OP did are in fact, not provable. Whereas the bad faith arguments you've engaged in are indeed provable as you've done them before our eyes.


Let's list some of them out so there's zero ambiguity. Circular logic:

Cheaters make appeal request all the time.

Circular logic and ad-hominem: You sound exactly like the people I ban…lol dindu nuffin!

Strawman:

You defend cheaters blind you aint my friend.

strawman:

You dont even know this guy… yet you are so sure he is not cheating… lmfao

Strawman and ad-hominem:

Proof = he was banned its the OP picture! You have 0 proof he did not cheat and you dont know him but here you are so sure he “dindu nuffin” wrong and Im a bad guy.

yet again Strawman:

I can prove it…open your eyes and see picture OP posted ill even read it for you. “Permanently banned” the definition of permanently is for ever. You are not challenging shit!


For someone who claims he has so much knowledge and experience, you sure need to twist misrepresent people's arguments a lot to try to win them. Shows you don't have any ground to stand on. In reality OP being a cheater is your opinion which isn't backed up by facts or logic. The only thing that is backed up by any sort of facts is OP's account being banned, which doesn't prove that he is a cheater either, that would also be circular logic to try and justify your, very unagreeable opinion, as a fact when it is only your opinion.