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Saving this for when people ask why I need root access on my devices.
Lol I love the "You don't need root on modern Android, it does all the things you used to root for!" People. No, no it doesn't lmao
That's generally what you hear from people who have basic use cases and simply can't fathom other people may want or need different things from their devices.
Which is fine, they don't have to understand. If stock is good enough for them nowadays, more power to them.
What I'm sick of is the condescension. This bizarre thing where they somehow think a person wanting control over a device they paid for is worthy of derision or shame.
It's like if someone who only checks their email on their laptop laughing at someone using a desktop for heavier work, for no real reason other than thinking using technology differently than themselves is silly.
That other comment is a perfect example, and indictive of this weird subculture in Android spaces that hates Google but seems to be drinking from the same user-hostile Kool aid.
Personally, I'm an odd case, in that I didn't used to root or use custom ROMs at all until recent years. Basically since Android 10, simply to get around the needless roadblocks and restore the functions I want. I was fine with stock for a long time, until Google started becoming Apple.
"People"
There are dozens of you, dozens I say!
https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1587912474002542592
150k users out of billions devices.
Y'all really dig into these bubbles. 99.99975% of Android users agree, yes user space is fine.
Are you saying because Graphene is unrootable and 150k choose it means user space is fine?
Because those 150k made a choice to switch to a custom rom with the features built-in that they would typically need root for on ANY stock OEM rom, such as effective system-wide Adblocking
Ofc userspace is just fine in that scenario
Now, if you're saying only 150k people choose to flash a custom rom out of billions of Android devices that userspace is just fine and dandy, that's just misleading. An absolute ton of those billions of devices are most likely Samshits, which is actively hostile to user choice and rooting and does everything they can to stop it. Up to and including (like someone else commented here) using Knox to brick the phone.
Living with userspace because you can't or don't want to overcome your choosen OEMs blockers/hostility is NOT evidence that user space is just fine.
I'm pretty sure the poster you replied to is saying exact opposite. Using the number of graphene OS installs as a proxy for individuals with root access vs the number of users who haven't modified their device in such a way.
Edit: Woop. I should read father next time, but yes I believe it is the second example.
But GrapheneOS is unrooteable by design...
I found that out way too late, but luckily didnt need root.
Yes, AOSP sucks, but at least its damn secure
*by default. It's not "unrootable", it's just not recommended.
Whaaaaat
Yes know what, you're correct I completely forgot.
So the actual number I posted with graphine being one of the most popular is way way less.
Brah, if you try and root many phones, shit like Knox fucking bricks your phone out of spite. They've been putting anti-consummer shit into devices for decades now, let's not pretend that puts everyone in the same 99.9%.
That's literal math above.
Who hurt you?
I'm sorry my data makes you feel like you must attack me. Sad.
Shit like this is why I can't abide GrapheneOS or their cheerleaders.
It's legitimately the same attitude as Google itself. This parental, condescending tone, acting as if wanting freedom to control their own devices is somehow irrational. Continuing to push this toxic idea that handcuffs are the only way to protect users. Like a sysadmin at a workplace, but without the justifiable reasons.
Dude, not having root is objectively safer, and grapheneOS is security first.
If you want a rom that gives you absolute freedom, there are those as well, but it's not as secure.
P.S you can root grapheneOS, it's just not recommended or catered to and while I don't agree with their tone and the obfuscation of it, I don't think it matters as it just completely goes against security.
For the vast majority of users it's the best configuration. Google doesn't cater to small user populations.
Yeah, but people installing GrapheneOS probably aren't in the vast majority of users