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Did you bother to read the article? Her partner was a match, and could have donated a portion of their liver to her, if approved, as opposed to a donated liver.
Judge someone all you want for their previous life choices, but the decision referenced in this case should have been between the two of them and their doctor.
Did you? Her liver was so far gone, doctors did lot believe a partial transplant would work
Second paragraph in: 'However, documents show the Alcohol Liver Disease (ALD) team at UHN rejected her in part because of "minimal abstinence outside of hospital." '
The article quotes Dr. Jayakumar making a general statement regarding alcohol diseased livers, but the University Health Network declined to comment on Amanda's specific case outside offering their (patronizing) condolences.
Feel free to quote the article and back up your statement.
This means she kept on drinking while not hospitalized
The rest is standard boilerplate, they can't speak about her detailed case in public
I'm sorry, maybe I'm just daft this week, but I missed the concept "the doctors believed her liver is so far gone, a partial would lot [sic] work" in that.
I quote: "Huska, he said, stopped drinking as soon as she was diagnosed with Alcohol Liver Disease on March 3 and had also registered for an alcohol cessation program to begin once she was discharged." So where does the article state she kept drinking while waiting for the transplant?
This was posted like 5 times and I assumed it was the same article... I'll find the link to the original one where they detailed this. In any case, she was not eligible because she was likely to go back to drinking and ruin the new liver...
I never said that... what the article says is that she was an alcoholic since late teens and was never able to stop. She literally only stopped drinking after she found out she was going to die, and that was only like 3 months. She tried to quit before but never succeeded... that tells you she was a super high risk of relapsing
"This means she kept drinking while out of the hospital", which directly contradicts the statement by the boyfriend saying she stopped drinking.
Everything else is like, your opinion, man.
Stopping to drink for a few weeks after you realize you are about to die from drinking... doesn't really make a difference here. Unfortunately, she was an alcoholic for most of her life and, before diagnosis, did not show any capacity to quit
So, even if she did stopped drinking 100% after May... it was just too late
That's your opinion. Where does the article state that?
It's literally what the article said... she stopped drinking after diagnosis
Here, second hand from her partner (my emphasis)
I'm not debating that she stopped drinking after diagnosis. I'm debating the rest of your opinion: "Stopping to drink for a few weeks after you realize you are about to die from drinking... doesn't really make a difference here. Unfortunately, she was an alcoholic for most of her life and, before diagnosis, did not show any capacity to quit
So, even if she did stopped drinking 100% after May... it was just too late"
So again, please back your statement up with a direct quote from the article. I'll wait, but excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
Oh so you want me to explain to you why there are medical directives that rule out life long alcoholics from receiving incredibly scarce organs for transplant?
There is a ton of info here (first link after googling alcoholism and relapsing)
https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/alcohol-abuse/alcohol-relapse-statistics/
No, I wanted you to quote the article. Here, I'll do it for you: "The survival rate of patients with alcohol-related liver disease who receive a deceased donor liver transplant has steadily improved to reach 80β85 per cent at one year after a transplant.
Studies show that living liver transplants for alcohol liver disease have similar survival rates to other forms of liver disease.
But a study from the University Health Network showed that 86 per cent of those with alcohol-induced liver damage who were referred for transplants were rejected. Only 14 per cent of those who applied were accepted, and just six per cent received a liver transplant. There is a concern that patients with alcohol use disorder will relapse, damaging the new organ, though studies show the risk is around 15 per cent."
... Which refutes your opinions. Gee, can't imagine why you didn't want to quote that.
I don't have to imagine why that board wouldn't want to find every excuse in the book to deny the patient the transplant either... Seems like they have several hundred thousand of them: "Using the most recent data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information on hospital bed costs (2016), Huskaβs time at the Oakville hospital likely cost over $450,000 - ($3,592 per day for ICU care) with an additional 61 days in a ward bed which likely cost about $1,200 a day
A liver transplant in Ontario is pegged at about $71,000 to $100,000 in Ontario based on data from 2019."
Yeah, that survival rate is for people that do not start drinking again... So, likely not her you know
Yes, I read the article three times over, trying to chase down false info someone posted in here. His offer is irrelevant. The prognosis was not good enough for him to donate. They only included it in the article for the melodrama. It's nothing more than an "I would die for her!" moment. Well, I'm glad the medical board did not condone assisting him with suicide.
Please quote the article where it states her prognosis was not good enough for him to donate. All I'm seeing is a statement that her prior alcohol consumption was a factor in that decision.