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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Wedge issues.

Equal rights for

everyone

regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and ethnicity are something that we, as a society, actually solved decades ago that aren’t even a question. They were brought back into public discourse by corrupt people that seek to keep us distracted while they rob us all blind. The two party system in the US (and any nation that uses a FPTP voting system that limits us to a MAXIMUM of two viable parties) is a HUGE reason why they still exist.

The reason we still argue endlessly about these solved issues is that the two parties are so similar in their other policies that they have decided to highlight those issues (as if there’s even a debate about them) because the two parties align in lockstep behind the other issues. The super wealthy people at the top don’t want us talking about things that will cause ALL of us to stand up and demand improvements to our material conditions so they have their demagogues loudly trumpet the absolutely miniscule differences between them and the conservative parties to whip their voters into a frenzy in support of voting against their best interest.

Then, I have to fight with unwitting dupes in the comment section that have fallen victim to the marketing gimmick that the black female version of Reagan is “fighting for good” despite her being politically aligned with Reagan on virtually every issue other than identity politics.

I’m calling the DNC technique of wrapping Reaganomics in a friendly identity politics outer shell “woke-washing” because of how similar it is to “green-washing”.

Chomsky proved this conclusively.The democratic party’s policy summed up in one image.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m calling the DNC technique of wrapping Reaganomics in a friendly identity politics outer shell “woke-washing” because of how similar it is to “green-washing”.

Some More News did a segment on how Regan forced the Democrat Party to go further right in order to achieve power. Same thing happened in the UK after Thatcher. The Labour Party swung right to get votes.

I don't have the data however I would imagine, that after the the conservative 80s, a lot left wing parties moved to the right to capture votes.

Also Regan elevated Jerry Falwall and the Christian Religious Right.

Coverage naturally gravitated toward Lynchburg, Virginia, preacher Jerry Falwell, who had supported Anita Bryant’s 1977 anti-gay-rights crusade, and Virginia Beach television mogul Pat Robertson, who was involved with the Washington for Jesus rally of April 1980 (scheduled to coincide with the anniversary of the first landing at Jamestown).

Falwell, head of the Moral Majority (another nod to Nixon), was more eager to enter the political arena. He thus became the first anointed spokesperson of what was then commonly called the “Religious New Right.”

During the 1980 campaign, Ronald Reagan and the evangelical conservatives engaged in a very public courting ritual. Evangelicals had entertained possible GOP alternatives to Carter since at least 1979. Options abounded— ranging from right-wing purist Philip Crane of Illinois to early front-runner John Connally of Texas—but Reagan, long a darling of conservatives in general, was an especially compelling choice. By the time Moral Majority executive director Robert Billings signed on as a Reagan campaign adviser, the deal was pretty much sealed.

Truly Regan was a piece of shit.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That’s actually a bullshit talking point used by the Progressive Policy Institute (which are not even remotely Progressive) and other right wing think-tanks. They pushed right because of the DLC. They used the “capturing votes” thing to excuse the rightward push. They STILL love that talking point despite Bernie having the most bipartisan grassroots support in the last 40 years..

They had to move heaven and earth to cheat him.

Do you know that the Democratic Leadership Council was even worse because they were so ultimately SUCCESSFUL in pushing the DNC all the way to Reaganism since the 90’s that they dissolved in 2011 and their archives were added to the Clinton Foundation?

IMO, Clintonites and neoliberals were even more nefarious since they successfuly pretended to be leftists while purposely pushing the Democratic Party rightward to what we see today. Coupled with regulatory capture in the form of Citizens United, they now have a virtually-impenetrable corporatist stronghold in the US.

Further reading: https://www.salon.com/2016/04/30/clintonism_screwed_the_democrats_how_bill_hillary_and_the_democratic_leadership_council_gutted_progressivism/

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That fucking rock was installed a few years ago to keep homeless people from sleeping. Very inclusive 😡

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yup. The DNC should use that in an honest rebranding.

Equal rights for all (except the poor).

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 months ago

That rock is inclusive! It doesn't let any homeless person sleep there. The rock does not care about skin color, race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

great answer....no sarcasm. But what does FPTP stand for?

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

First past the post. Here’s my go-to graphic to describe how it affects democracies.

First past the post’s affect on Sweden’s government as a point of comparison.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How the Swedish parliament would look is how the current British government does look. For exactly this reason.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I was thinking about that just now.

They did Corbyn dirty in almost exactly the same way that they did Sanders. It has been worst-case-scenario from there on out.

Have they fully privatized NHS yet?

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thankfully not and the party that wanted to is the blue one that lost massively in July.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If it’s as bad as it is in the US, they ALL want to privatize it.

I’ll never forget Joe Lieberman swooping in and literally letting health insurance companies completely rewrite (destroy) the Affordable Care Act from an incremental step toward Single Payer into a law that codifies their profiteering. It put everyone into three categories:

A.) people who make more than their incredibly low income means testing are required to shop for expensive private health insurance on the free market. Health insurance companies literally raised their rates right after this. Because of Joe, health insurance profits, medical bankruptcy, and death from being under/uninsured (70,000 people per year) are at an all-time high! Any real illness won’t be covered and you’ll be forced to cover it with a GoFundMe!

B.) people who face stiff fines if they don’t have health insurance (neoliberal paternalism much like charging people for plastic bags and sugary drinks)

C.) people who somehow manage to sneak in under the means testing income bar! If you are 300% or more below the actual poverty line, you get the most bare bones medical insurance possible!