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(Cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26559848/)

Some significant news for Telegram users!

See this article for some interesting backstory context on Pavel Durov and Telegram: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-telegram-billionaire-and-his-dark-empire-a-f27cb79f-86ae-48de-bdbd-8df604d07cc8

Since the post article is in French, here's an auto-translation:

Pavel Durov, the founder and CEO of the encrypted messaging service Telegram, was arrested around 8 p.m. on Saturday evening as he got off his private jet on the tarmac of Le Bourget airport. The 39-year-old Franco-Russian was accompanied by his bodyguard and a woman.

The arrest was carried out by the gendarmes of the GTA (Air Transport Gendarmerie). Registered in the RPF (wanted persons file), Pavel Durov came straight from Azerbaijan. He had over his head a French search warrant issued by the OFMIN of the National Directorate of the French Judicial Police, issued on the basis of a preliminary investigation.

Why was he under threat of a search warrant?

The Justice considers that the lack of moderation, cooperation with the police and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable number, cryptocurrencies, etc.) makes it complicit in drug trafficking, paedophile offences and fraud.

This search warrant ran if, and only if, Pavel Durov was on national territory. "He made a mistake tonight. We don't know why... Was this flight just a step? In any case, he's locked up!" a source close to the investigation told TF1/LCI. Since he knew he was persona non grata in France, Pavel Durov used to travel to the Emirates, the countries of the former USSR, South America... He travelled very little in Europe and avoided countries where Telegram is under surveillance.

And now?

Investigators from the ONAF (National Anti-Fraud Office attached to the Customs Directorate) notified him and placed him in police custody. He is expected to be presented to an investigating judge this Saturday evening before a possible indictment on Sunday for a multitude of offences: terrorism, drugs, complicity, fraud, money laundering, concealment, paedophile content...

"Pavel Durov will end up in pre-trial detention, that's for sure," comments an investigator to TF1/LCI. "On his platform, he allowed an incalculable number of misdemeanours and crimes to be committed for which he does nothing to moderate or cooperate," said a source close to the case.

His pre-trial detention at the end of his indictment is indeed in no doubt. Pavel Durov, a billionaire, has substantial means to flee and his guarantees of representation will hardly convince the judges.

A net with international resonance

For the investigators, this international sweep has various objectives. First, it makes it possible to kick the anthill, impress and deter the perpetrators of crimes and offences who exchange, until now, freely on Telegram. Secondly, they aim to put pressure on European countries to step up joint work to make secure messaging on terrorist cases bend.

Indeed, Telegram is a hive of criminal content. At the moment, the platform is in the news with the illegal broadcasting of Ligue 1 matches. But on this encrypted messaging service, many accounts are used by organized crime. Beyond terrorism, the most dangerous pedophiles communicate on Telegram to exchange content. "It has become for years THE number 1 platform for organized crime," comments an investigator.

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[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think you and most people in this thread have been mislead by the article because of the closing remark.

Beyond terrorism, the most dangerous pedophiles communicate on Telegram to exchange content.

But it isn't the private stuff he is being prosecuted for though AFAIK (although it might have been reported by "traitors" within those chats).

Unlike Signal, there are public chat groups and channels and I presume these are the ones which got him into trouble for propagating illegal activity.

From another article...

terrorism, narcotic supply, fraud, money laundering, receiving stolen goods and others.... he allowed an incalculable number of offenses and crimes to be committed, which he did nothing to moderate

The platform has faced issues of misinformation and hate speech, especially antisemitic speech following October 7, 2023.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So platforms are now liable for everything people post? This seems like a free pass to censorship and authoritarian control.

[–] flerp@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean 'now'? Even 4chan had to remove illegal things, this isn't new.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

In the US platforms are shielded from liability with the exception of CSAM

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Just like how municipal governments are responsible for every crime that occurs in city limits!

Wait a minute

[–] celia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

The platforms should be held liable when those groups can easily be accessed by anyone, and moderation would be "simple" as the conversations aren't even encrypted. We aren't asking for more of Telegram than Youtube or Facebook