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Catching strays from the people still on Twitter, angry at being reminded that in doing so what/whose purpose they are being made to serve?
Or people who think "yeah it is, but this is clearly an innocuous post, and it being reposted here actually has very little to do with the political leanings of the other platform's owner, so this comment feels out of place. Seems more like a reply to 'twitter is good' than 'hey look at this octopus and funni caption.' Sort of a non-sequitur, outside of being tangentially related due to it being a screencap."
The use of a platform is how they get money. The usage contributes to stats, clicks, throughput they then show those numbers to advertisers - to get money. So the content doesn't matter. The use does.
You post to Twitter, you help Musk. Simple as that unfortunately. That's part of why Capitalism is insidious, you're constantly aiding a ruling class who do not share your class interests. The least we can do is boycott the worst of them.
But the post is on lemmy, the OP likely isn't the twitter OP, the one who needs to receive the message is not here to see it. Boycott away, but if the goal is to stop twitter posts you have to tell twitter users, lemmy users are more likely already not using twitter.
That wasn't the point of the discussion we just had. That's a new argument you've just raised. Its existence on Lemmy wasn't the argument being replied to.
But ideally, no one would be on or even visiting twitter (not even to bring content to Lemmy), so what I've said still stands. However I know that's an unlikely and extremist position to adopt IRL... But it also wasn't what I said, or anything I've argued thus far.
I really just came here to say I didn't understand why the first comment was getting downvotes. The rest has been an organic and abstract discussion on a tangent.
Ideally no one should eat at Chick Fillet, no one should use PayPal due to Peter Thiel's involvement, or stay at a Trump hotel... And explaining why these companies are bad, shouldn't get someone downvotes. That's my position, that's the argument I was making.
Ideally, government would have stronger and more defensive capabilities to not be usurped by the Capitalists using these companies as political vehicles and funding sources/campaign pawns in their toxic politics - was my second comment.
However I'm not going to argue that this post or the content its self is toxic still when it's on Lemmy - because that was never my position.
My position was that the thread starter shouldn't be downvoted for saying Twitter is a Nazi platform. That this post has made its way to Lemmy is just a product of the messy realities of how social media is transported from website to website.
That doesn't mean some websites that are noticeable in that process are beyond criticism or that their owners shouldn't be called out on their politics.
Which was being done to Musk/twitter in this case.
Yes it was, it was a direct reply to
This isn't a twitter post, it's a lemmy post of a picture of a twitter post. This post doesn't help musk monetarily at all unless he owns mander.xyz and has monetized it somehow. The post is also likely a repost, if you wish to affect musk's bottom line, you don't need to "inform" the people on lemmy that the people who post on twitter should not be posting on twitter, as they are posting on lemmy, thus not at least currently engaging in the behavior you find objectionable. Go tell twitter people if you must evangelize, you can probably also find them on Reddit, Facebook, and Insta if you don't want to go to Twitter to tell them there. However, we're on lemmy. The people here use Masto, Pleroma, Misskey, or Bluesky, largely not twitter, the shit that got most of you off reddit to here also got you off twitter and onto Masto, before the reddit exodus if memory serves me. Trying to "educate" the folks here about the fact that "twitter is a nazi" or whatever is essentially screaming into the void, or rather circlejerking, and IMO the circlejerk isn't relevant to a post about octopi simply because it's a screenshot of twitter.
Imagine being so butthurt that you think I made the original comment (you've addressed me as if I did), I didn't, I said it didn't deserve the downvotes. But I get it you're a closet musk fan boy or something, and want to downvote people complaining about him.
...and then imagine having such a child minded ego that you think you know everyone across multiple platforms and can speak for them.
What a joke. Get your shit together and move on with life. No one's forced you to read or discuss this. Take some responsibility for your participation/consumption.
I address you as if you're arguing against me, because you are. Idgaf if you made the original comment or not, you chose to reply to me and I replied to your reply. Feel free to not.
That is truely pathetic.
No u
Okay, but only because you're so unable to control whether you respond to posts and comments, that you literally might need someone to show you it's possible to just stop interacting with something when/if it bothers you...
...like it's just so embarrassing that you've blamed the internet for "making your respond"... You don't like something or don't want to fucking reply to it you can just fucking stop.
It's really not that difficult.
You won't.
That is truely pathetic.
No u
Perhaps. Though to argue against that point, id say there are plenty of people who don't know it is/why it is a Nazi platform. Though once improbable to a terminally online person like me, I've since seen it too often to discount. So i don't think we should downvote the comment as irrelevant to the discussion based on our own knowledge.
But the discussion had nothing to do with the political leanings of the platform's management, it's just a screenshot of a post some random user. By definition it is irrelevant.
A cool fact about octopi especially regarding their propensity to wear shells as hats would have been relevant, but this is basically just like if someone posted a screenshot of a lemmy post about octopi somewhere else and I commented "lemmy devs are tankie shitstains." Like, sure, Nutsomic and Dessalinator are pieces of shit with abhorrent views who are transphobic and murderous and support genocide, but what does that have to do with the user "steve's" post about octopi? Diddly squat, the OP isn't Nutsomic (or for the OG meme, the OP isn't Elon), and we have no way of knowing the political leanings of the OP (they could be nazis, but if we say "everyone on twitter is 100% nazis," by that logic we must then say "everyone on lemmy is a genocidal murderous transphobic tankie." Idk about you but I think both of those statements are clearly not correct, there clearly are lemmy users and twitter users that would not meet the definitions they're supposed to assuming we're applying the sins of the creator/owner to their userbase.)
It isn't necessary to inform people on a post like this imo, save that for a post when it would even be almost relevant, like a post about or by Elon or twitter staff, or even just a link to twitter, rather than just an unrelated screenshot.
I don't think you should be so offended or angry that someone dislikes Musk/Twitter and leaves a two word comment.
It's Musk's controversial politics that makes people react to him with negative comments at anything even vaguely associated with him. I wouldn't adopt his problems as your own, and I think it would be healthier to just go "yeah, he's criticized everywhere because of the dumb shit he says on his main account, that makes sense" (and on that other account where he pretended to be a little kid, which was weird).
But it makes sense people object to the objectionable.
I'm just saying don't let him take up too much of your life if it's his objectionable nature that causes people to react even when & where you don't personally see it as being relevant enough to warrant it.
The closest "his problems" have to do with me is I'm sick of hearing every other human on earth be obsessed with him, love him or hate him they can't not talk about him. I've never had a twitter, I've never had a Tesla, I've never ridden a Spacex rocket, I'm sick of hearing about it.
I do like cool octopi though, but I can't even escape hearing about him even on a post about cool octopi. I've probably been boycotting twitter longer than you crusaders by virtue of literally never signing up for one, and yet I'm granted no respite from the crusade that can't just let people enjoy things because "it was posted ~~in the wrong neighborhood~~ to the wrong website god knows how long ago, gotta evangelize my disdain for some rich african schmuck!"
Sure criticize him for his posts because of his main acct, ok, and I'm then to assume this is Elon posting directly through one of his known alts, that's how he's at all relevant to this cool ass octopus? If so, sure, my mistake. If not, I'm still of the opinion both that he's not relevant, and that said irrelevance might be the cause of some of them there downvotes, to bring it back to my original hypothesis.
Anger nothing, annoyance at best, like an overplayed song you never even liked that you're sick of hearing again. He takes up none of my life, if all of a sudden everyone just stopped constantly playing the song I'd forget it existed in a week. It takes more of my life having to see yet another post praising or hating or even just fucking acknowledging him, and even that only takes a little bit of joy as I'm reminded I can't do fucking anything without someone referencing him every 45min.
To be clear this is the same exact feeling I have everytime I hear Tommy Twotone's 867-5309 playing in some store, it's enough with that shit already!
You're doing the same thing by perpetuating a conversation about him, and demanding comments that show a dislike of him be downvoted.
Be mature and move on with your life man, rather than making a conversation about him the centre of your existence. It's embarassing.
You want negative mention of him downvoted because you're upset to see his name. Sounds like he lives pretty rent free in your head. Maybe write another 10 pages about how you don't want to keep writing about Elon Musk. Or just learn when to shut up and walk away rather than angrievate yourself. Low impulse control much?
Try not to think of the Musk octopus creeping into your dreams you damaged crustacean.
It was thrust upon me by the comment I replied to before I said anything, I did not bring him up, so, "nuh uh."
Furthermore I demanded nothing, I believe you'll find I merely proposed a hypothesis as to why the downvotes, which had previously been asked about, were present.
You be mature and move on, why are you arguing with my hypothesis, take your own advice then, dingus.
I don't care about that being the topic, you claim to be trying to avoid it, but back you came anyways!
Fucking hell dude, grow up or at least listen: no one forced you to participate!
How are you not embarrassed claim a voluntary interaction has been "thrust upon you"? Learn to walk away and know when you don't want to participate.
I'm replying to you replying to me, had you people not replied, it would have been one and done. Funny how that works, isn't it? Now why don't you go bother someone else, if my replies to your replies offend you so.
I was aware and dissapointed by the transphobic Nutomic messages. I haven't heard anything bad about Dessalines, though, besides the fact that they continue to work with Nutomic after said messages were exposed. Dessalines did at least make sure Trans mods were installed in c/transgender, so they seem to not share the same opinion.
What did Dessalines do? Or is Dessalinator someone different from Dessalines?
Well that is good to hear. He's still a tankie who wants to kill people, but I guess maybe not one of the transphobic ones, that is good at least.
Did he end up restoring the whistleblower's acct or did he let the egregious ban stand?