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[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

atheism is the answer. until we as a whole reject religion, these incidents will be recurring.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Secularism has caused two world wars and we're heading for a third.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

how many wars has religion caused?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How many wars has secularism caused?

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

not nearly as fucking many as religion has caused. are you seriously advocating for a more religious world?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

So maybe the issue isn't religion or the absence there of, but that shitty people will find excuses to justify their shittyness. That would make focusing on religion a waste of time.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Lol what? You are delusional. I'm not sure Orthodox Slavs would agree that WW1 and the subsequent Russian Civil War were "secular" wars considering most propoganda from that time was highly religious and they were seen as "holy wars" by both Slavs and Germans.

Both world wars were caused mostly by nationalism/ethnic conflict and recent history/economic problems. Secularism had literally not a single thing to do with it. Where exactly do you get this "WW1 and WW2 were caused by secularism" delusion from?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While true they won't have a belief system that backs it up, it won't have the power behind it.

[–] CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

There are smart homophobes. They use science, however flawed it is, to promote their arguments. Cutting out religion would take care of the few vocal people who genuinely believe being gay is against their religion but it definitely wouldn't take care of the larger problem which has always been xenophobia.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Not necessarily. Plenty of chill religious people and unchill atheists. Russian homophobia, for instance, is generally secular.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well those Jehovah witnesses weren't going to ship themselves to Siberia.

Some call it divine intervention by the state.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

i'd ship every person that insists on their religion over science to some hellhole to rot away. building a better world now saves future generations form suffering. the payoff is immeasurable.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

7 decades ago.....

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Really? So why is that Krill East Orthodox Shaman announcing he hates gays every single week?

Also show me the religious Muslim who isn't a homophobe

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

is it really, though? provide some evidence. and if it is, do you have a better solution to reduce bias?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Homophobia and Atheism aren't mutually exclusive to one another, hell I know plenty of Atheist Transphobes.. some of whom used to be gay allies until they were radicalized by the Alt Right.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago
[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There is a really funny South Park episode about this.... Bottom line is assholes will be assholes with or without religion, which is just a convenient excuse for assholery.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

but assholes are far and few when people aren't deluded by religion. are you people actually arguing in favor of a religious society?

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

We don't actually know this, just because one southpark episode depicts it happening like that doesn't mean it would. Religion has a lot of archaic beliefs that actively harm people. It would be a lot harder for someone to be motivated to hurt someone if they didn't believe they had a reason to justify it.