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What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

If you do not like the faiths, why?

If you DO, also why? Does this come from your family? Maybe something went bad during your life?

I get that Lemmy might have the same stereotype in Reddit that there are loads of atheists, but there's a good reason why despite criticism of religion, it is still here.

P.S. I am not religious or anti religious in any fashion, I am agnostic.

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[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What would you say to a person that wont use preferred pronouns of a trans person?

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you're trying to make an analogy here, that's incredibly short sighted.

Forcing religious values down other ppls throats is trying to dictate their life.

"forcing" aka asking to be referred to with certain pronouns is asking to have your own life respected.

One is about having your beliefs respected, the other is demanding others to act as if they were part of your faith no matter if they believe or care.

[–] explore_broaden@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Some religions believe that they should proselytize as many people as possible, so really not letting them convert you is disrespectful to their beliefs.

I agree that there’s a difference, but I’m not sure a simple argument like this really works since it is difficult to say one belief is β€˜better.’

[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Proselytizing: You can say no without repercussions.

"Forcing Their Beliefs:" You have to follow the religion or you will face legal/societal consequences.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago

Not really the same thing at all though is it?

Also bit of a weird constructed example. A faith like that can only lead to it's followers taking offense or religious totalitarianism.

Which is not something I'd engage with so idk why i would tolerate something so intolerant.

The comparison is also kinda failing since one is a belief and the other isn't.

A more fitting comparison would be ostracising someone for their faith vs insisting to misgender someone despite better knowledge.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So then what would you say to a person that wont use preferred pronouns of a trans person?

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd say if you can at all help it please be less of a cunt

[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not analogous nor related to the topic, but since you asked, this scenario requires a lot of assumptions.

Is said person intentionally misgendering? I'll make it quick. "Please respect [trans person]'s preferences." It's not my business to force them to comply or not.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Taking a WAG at the number, I would say that 90% of people in your belief group would use soft power against someone that wouldnt go along with using their new pronouns. This includes things like banning them from social media, kicking them off youtube, debanking them, ect. Do you think that using influence like this is approapraite to get people to not offend the trans people?

[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago

Okay then it sounds like you are like what normal christians are. The problem is that most of the people in your group will start yelling and use their soft force to get people to comply, which most christians dont do. So in the end your group is the one that is trying to use force to get people to follow their ideology.