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Mozilla rolls out first AI features in Firefox Nightly, and theyre actually useful. (blog.mozilla.org)

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Tldr: Theyre adding an opt-in alt text generation for blind people and an opt-in ai chat sidebar where you can choose the model used (includes self-hosted ones)

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[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The alternative is only supporting self hosted LLMs, though, right?

Imagine the scenario: you're a visually impaired, non-technical user. You want to use the alt-text generation. You're not going to go and host your own LLM, you're just going to give up and leave it.

In the same way, Firefox supports search engines that sell your data, because a normal, non-technical user just wants to Google stuff, not read a series of blog posts about why they should actually be using something else.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The alt text generation is done locally. That was the big justification Mozilla used when they announced the feature.

I'm talking about the non-local ChatGPT stuff.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I missed that alt text specifically is local, but the point stands, in that allowing (opt-in) access to a 3rd party service is reasonable, even if that service doesn't have the same privacy standards as Mozilla itself

To pretty much every non-technical user, an AI sidebar that won't work with ChatGPT (Google search's equivalent from my example previously) may as well not be there at all

They don't want to self host an LLM, they want the box where chat gpt goes

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

But the alt text generation already leverages a self-hosted LLM. So either Mozilla is going to cook in hundreds of extra megabytes of data for their installs, or people with accessibility issues are going to have to download something extra anyway. (IIRC it's the latter).

We could talk all day about things that Mozilla could add out of the box that would make the user experience better. How about an ad blocker? They can be like Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, even the most ambitious Firefox fork LibreWolf.

But for some reason they went with injecting something into Firefox that nobody was asking for, and I don't think it aligns at all with the average Firefox users needs or wants. Normies don't use Firefox. They use a browser that doesn't raise "switch to Chrome or Edge" messages. And if there was some subset of Firefox users who were begging Mozilla for AI, I never saw them. Where were they?