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[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How would you propose the intervention happen? Sit Kim down and say "bad boy, stop it"?

What can "the west" really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

Russia isn't going to stop them from crossing their border.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

Drop leaflets on them inviting them to surrender and upgrade their lives to South Korean national.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

upgrade their lives to South Korean national

Considering that North Korean defectors are a heavily discriminated against minority in South Korea, this is unlikely to be an attractive offer.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Considering that North Korea is literally the worse country in the world to live it, this is super likely to be an attractive offer.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the worse country in the world to live it

worst* in*

And I dunno about that. North Korea's average soldier age isn't forty-five.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nobody's average soldier age is 45. Has nothing to do NK being rock bottom in country rankings. And the younger you are in NK, the more you are probably screwed.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The average age of Ukrainian soldiers fighting Russia is 43-45. Ukraine is almost certainly the worst developed country to live in right now.

Plus, North Korea may be poor by western standards, but they have a lot of comforts that many third world countries lack, so even if you discount my example they're still not the worst by a wide margin.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

So like Poland was the worst country in Europe to live in at the start of WW2. Not because Poland was bad but because Germany and Russia were bad and would both soon be just as bad to live in as Poland.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

To be honest that's likely the most effective. Though not very effective compared to threats against family.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What can “the west” really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

Stop sabotaging peace talks, pressure Ukraine to accept the terms as they exist now before they get worse, lift the sanctions on North Korea in order to incentivize them to integrate with the rest of the world, withdraw US military equipment from South Korea. Kim Jong Un is often presented in American news like a crazy person, but truthfully he (and the rest of the actors in the North Korean state) is a rational actor and the "hermit kingdom" is not an aspirational goal of the DPRK but a state of affairs that has been forced upon them by decades of sanctions and isolation - give them a reason to be neutral, and assurances that they won't be stabbed in the back (as they have been in previous deals with Western countries), and there's a good chance they'll take it.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hmmm. While that would technically stop Russia from needing the troops in Ukraine, I don't think that just giving a dictator sections of land because he claimed them is a good path.

"Just give up when I take your shit" is a shit take.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine had an opportunity to keep the Donbas by implementing the Minsk Agreements. Zelensky literally ran on the promise of ending the war and implementing the agreements. This path was not chosen by Russia, it was chosen by the Ukrainians, who refused to reconcile with their Russian-speaking minority groups. With every passing day, the deal will only get worse for the Ukrainians, and the sooner they accept the better the deal they will get.

But instead America and Europe are ready to do whatever it takes to throw every single Ukrainian body directly into Russian (and North Korean) artillery.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

"They could have not gotten invaded if they just gave up their rights to protect themselves!"