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[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

That's not what the term martyr means when we're referring to Islam tho. They're usually referring to Jihad which is much more specific. (And problematic)

Also, imagine thinking an American dictionary and en English word mean anything when the only 'true' reading of this religion is Arabic

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It just feels off to me that only war could bring someone to martyrdom. There's no way a religion wouldn't honor those who died putting in effort. I would argue that the idea runs contradictory to pretty much any religion with a central Deity. People wouldn't put in the effort otherwise.

According to Wikipedia (not definitive but at least this source is universal) the first martyr was a woman who did not die in a war. She was murdered for converting. This page also lists sources for ways to be martyred in nonmilitary efforts.

Here is a thread I found on reddit called Explain To Me Martyrdom that also states not all martyrs die in war.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 2 points 5 months ago

Those are the hadiths which is kinda like a state law vs a national law where the national law overpowers the state law (except in specific circumstances) or how the us constitution overrides national law. The quran is the only book that's the word of God, and if you take all the hadiths as truth you open Islam up to all kinds of other critiques. Besides that, the shia/sunni split has a ton of hadith issues where they only treat some as truth and not others. For the record it's not just Muslims or something. All of the Abrahamic religions are immensely fucked and I'm pretty sure I could make a similar case for most others. Even fucking Buddhism is being used to justify an ethnic cleansing rn.

You have definitely made me reflect on what I said and I shouldn't have made such a claim when I don't really know what I'm talking about entirely.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

dude you clearly don't know anything about Islam. it neither restricts martyrdom nor the concept of jihad to war.