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Amazon Mulls $5 to $10 monthly price tag for unprofitable Alexa service, AI revamp
(www.reuters.com)
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2024
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I'd pay $20 or $30 a year, especially if it meant they'd actually, like, improve the service (which has been almost 100% the same for me for the last 4 years or so).
But $60 to $120 would make me move elsewhere
If you have an Amazon Echo (or whatever they call it) in your home, then you already pay them by letting it spy on you, your family, and any guests that come over. Even if they improved the service (they won't), why would you pay $20 or $30 a year for it?
What info are they getting from me telling it to turn on the lights?
The service it provides I would expect to either pay a reasonable marginal fee, or do everything locally.
If the Home Assistant voice Appliance stuff can get its shit together and I can get one for reasonable prices I will move to that (or something like it) instead.
More than just "ripcord likes to have lights on at 6:00 pm," surprisingly.
It knows what brand lights you have, who's interacting with it, who you might be with if anyone speaks in the background, what times and days you're typically home... it'll even infer your mood based on how your voice sounds.
Unfortunately, Amazon isn't required to disclose every bit of personal data they take from you, so only so much is known about it. If you consider though that data collection is a new, multi-billion dollar industry, and how effective hundreds of PhDs in data science and social-engineering can be with near infinite resources to develop tools to extract as much information from these devices as possible, it starts becoming more believable.
Here's a good paper I found: http://arxiv.org/pdf/2204.10920
it really depends on how much you trust amazon on what it records as alexa is an always on(in terms of microphone) device.
It shouldn't take a subscription to manage turning on lights.
You can very easily do it locally.
With voice control?
Yes
https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/
Which is why I said
Unfortunately, when I looked most recently it still wasn't even remotely close to being ready. Particularly the hardware options.
They say that you can build one for $13.
https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/thirteen-usd-voice-remote/
They also have on their roadmap that they’re working to see if they can build or engineer ~~out~~ or whatever an all in one, easy to set up voice satellite hardware as one of their next up priorities.
https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2024/06/12/roadmap-2024h1/
Once the second thing happens, assuming it's any good, then I will look into switching again.
Until then, there don't seem to be many great options.
You could also argue Apple is heading in an interesting direction with on-device AI. Im ready to switch to Apple TV for fewer ads, as soon as they release a new version capable of on-device AI
I agree. I do keep considering it, but the additional value to me right now vs cost hasn't been worth it.
Same with moving from Roku to Apple TV.
Also, not having much in the Apple ecosystem is a factor. Down to just one occasionally-used Mac (and other macs that just serve as servers in the homelab)
“By the way, did you know…”
I had around 10 echos and replaced them all with HomePods. Much better.
Yeah, mighty tempting, especially since I wouldn’t need anywhere near that many. On the assumption the new improved Siri will need on device ai, I’ll go for it when they release that
I agree, although I haven't heard that for a year.
I have 10 rooms with voice assistants so I havent been motivated enough to suck it up and try to start replacing them with HomePods. I'm still hoping that a good, reasonably priced, fully local, HA-integrated solution (that I don't have to build myself) shows up.
HA is making good progress toward a home automation voice assistant, which is definitely cool, but I have read about where it works as a general voice assistant. Siri is a good general voice assistant and Apple is making good progress toward home automation, so I’d go in that direction too. As soon as a new HonePod comes out to support on-device AI, I’m in
Unfortunately they still seem like they have a long way to go.
A huge part of the problem seems to be availability of good, reasknably-priced Appliance hardware. I'm looking for something that I don't have to build, that is $100 or so, and that's at least reasonably good (like, I'd accept the sound and microphone quality of the 1st gen echo mini which weren't that great.
But nothing like that seems to exist. Hopefully there's something now and I've just missed it.