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Which Email provider Tuta or Proton? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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Hey guys,

I am looking for a new email provider as I am still using gmail and like to get that removed finally. I am currently looking at Tuta and proton. I would be using it mainly for email and the Calendar. most other things I am self hosting but email in particular is not something I like to self host.

Proton being hosted in Switzerland and Tuta being hosted from Germany I think Proton has a edge over Tuta in that regard although I am not very familiar with both country's privacy laws.

Also how do they compare to each other regarding flexibility in creating email filters and folders. I believe proton hat some restrictions on the amount of email filters if i am not mistaken.

And lastly can you get calendar invites with these email providers? If I like the email provider i might move the business email to one of the providers as well but seeing we get like calendar invites which works fine with outlook. I dont know if this works with the email clients of proton or Tuta.

Also if their is a better email provider i am open to suggestions.

EDIT: Thanks guys! Got many great answers. i think I will get my own domain and try them out both for a while.

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[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

The push notifications would be a issue for me. I am using GrapheneOS without any google services.

Also the calendar i am not 100% sure how I want to do it. I currently use Nextcloud and Caldav. Which for me works great when syncing with Etar on my phone and Evolution mail in the desktop. For my dad I have setup caldavsynchronizer for outlook as that is the email client he has used for years. When i would use Tuta id loose the nextcloud calendar because it can in no way synchronize with Tuta. With proton on the other hand I can use the bride for email and use the calendar how i am currently using it together with Etar on the phone.

On the other hand if say Tuta providers a calendar that is integrated and works with both the email client on the desktop and on the phone. the same goal is accomplished.

[–] Samlane86@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I've been using Proton Mail and GrapheneOS for some time now. Early in I found an app called You Have Mail that solved the pushnotifications problem for me. I've never used Tutanota, so I can't speak for it at all, but I really like Proton.

[–] onion@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the tip! It feels a bit sketchy to give it my login info though

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

The app is completely open source: https://github.com/LeanderBB/you-have-mail
Your login data is only stored locally on your device, and used to log in to your Proton account. It's not sent to a third-party server. This is totally fine.

[–] oranki@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I stripped down Hydroxide, the OSS version of the Protonmail Bridge, to only send push notifications of new mail via a ntfy.sh server of your choice. Needs a Linux box to run on still, so not for everyone.

Main advantage over the otherwise good You Have Mail android app is that if you already use ntfy for other notifications, there's no need for a separate app for just mail notifications.

https://github.com/0ranki/hydroxide-push

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Thanks mate, this is really awesome! Will definitely try it out. Many people might find this useful, consider making a separate post about it. I created a community for UnifiedPush and related topics: !unifiedpush@lemmy.dbzer0.com, you're welcome to post there.

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, tuta is actually on fdroid (should be the minimum bar for open source software from a company like proton) and has an efficient notification service that doesn't depend on google services at all

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[–] 211@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago

What all do you consider "synchronizing" to include? I mean, the calendars won't, but using Etar+NextCloud for calendar, and Tuta for email, has worked fine for me. Of course it means that my calendar isn't encrypted.

I just tested sending an ICS event to both. The Tuta app offered to open it on Etar, and Etar offered the default calendar with dropdown for others, just like normal. (Strangely it didn't even offer to open on Tuta's own calendar, which is in the same app; maybe because I've added no calendars there?) Proton's app (which may be out of date, the mail app isn't on F-droid, either publicly or in an official repository, and I'm a lazy updater) wanted to open it on Proton Calendar only when I don't even have it installed.

Proton's bridge OTOH worked really well for me for syncing to Thunderbird, probably works as well for Office too.