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The EU may support Israel, but right now they're calling them out for this bullshit and I'm applauding them for that. Hurting innocent civilians is never a good idea no matter which side of the conflict does it.
I just noticed that the replies have turned into a crap ton of arguing.
The Palestinian government attacked their neighbor and took hostages. Their neighbor then stopped supplying Palestine with resources.
It seems Israel is aiming for the best case scenario here, which is for the people of Palestine to overthrow the death cult that controls their state.
That's called collective punishment, and is a war crime.
They're not really neighbors. Gaza is more like a prison controlled by Israel. Israel has controlled Gaza's electricity, food, water, and the movement of its citizens for many years. I believe even before this attack, Israel only allowed Gaza 4 hours of electricity per day.
Also, in 2019, the PM of Israel reportedly laid out a strategy to "bolster" Hamas and provide them funding to oppose the Palestinian Authority. Hamas, in its current form, would not have been possible without Israel creating the perfect conditions for terrorist organizations to thrive. Israel keeps the conditions so bad, the average age in Gaza is 18. So, half of those Palestinian death toll numbers we are seeing are likely children.
Refusing to supply the country that invaded you is a war crime??? Since when? Does Ukraine have to keep sending food to Russia?
And what prison in this world can you fire off 5,000 rockets from?
Israel invaded Palestine. History didn't start a week ago.
Read up on your history. Palestine would be called Jordan if Israel didn't get involved.
And it is true we would have peace in the region, because it was never about "israel" and "palestine". It is about a death cult wanting to kill jews.
The modern state of Israel exists because a bunch of Christian doomsdayers thought that it existing would make Jesus come back and end the world, and post-WWII seemed like the perfect time to redraw some borders with no consideration for the people already living there. That's the death cult you're talking about.
And I know Judaism views Israel as its ancestral homeland. It's not like the Jews have no claim to it whatsoever. Additionally, I understand that post-WWII genuinely was a great time to give the Jewish people some reparations. But you're acting like they've been there the whole time and no one else also has a claim to it, and you're further acting like after the European Christian death cult moved them in there (again, to try and make Jesus come back and end the world), they didn't then spend the next 70 years viciously subjugating the Palestinians who'd actually been living there for ages.
MLK Jr. said that a riot is the last voice of the unheard. That's not true about every riot, but if you have been aware of the geopolitics of this region of the world for more than like a month? and are not being a disingenuous shitbag, then this is the exact type of riot he was talking about. I know you have a lot of trouble with the not being a disingenuous shitbag part, but fortunately it seems like most people here also recognize that.
The way I read it, they were already refusing basic human needs. Cart, horse.
I think I see your problem - you can't read.
Nice work ignoring the decades of conflict. It's not like Israel has been stealing all the land they agreed to "allow" Palestinians have for the last 50+ years or anything, right?
So you're saying they've been giving food, water, and energy to people they have been enemies with for "decades"?
That's awful nice of them, but it doesn't change the fact that declaring war is going to get those things taken away.
... you really want to use that argument? "Giving them food, water and energy"? Like they're prisoners?
I guess Africa is the largest "open air prison", then, since America has been giving them food, water, and energy?
Did you even think before writing this zinger?
I mean, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, you certainly can dig into centuries of imperialism and oppression in Africa by outside colonial powers.
Yes, we are all aware of the laundry list of ~~men, women, and children~~ "colonizers" you want murdered and raped.
Damn, are you Elastigirl? 'Cause you be reachin'.
Ah, I see. You don't understand nuance and context.
The context being "that sounded better in my head"? rofl.
I appreciate your inability to address the topic. Take care, friend.
There's pictures of the Israelis landing in palestine by boat 75 years ago begging for asylum, they never stuck to the border agreements over the years and continuously steal land and kill palestinians, Israelis are scum of the earth lowlife colonisers. End of story.
They never stuck to the border agreements because for starters the surrounding arab countries (can't say Palestine because it didn't even exist as a country back then) refuse to acknowledge the borders and instead wanted to eradicate Israel. And for the first 30 years of after Israel was officially founded those same countries kept poking and prodding hoping to force them out in a similar fashion current day Israel does to Palestine. Is it really a wonder then that they treat Palestinians like dirt and ignore border agreements? It's literally how they were historically treated.
And this isn't to defend Israel. Current day Israel is the reason Hamas exists and Israeli treatment of Palestinians (not just in Gaza) laid the foundation of the terror attack. What I'm pointing out is that there's a clear circle of violence that has been perpetuated by generations on both side and this nuanceless "Palestinians / Hamas is evil" or "Israelis are scum" perspectives are perpetuating the same violence by dehumanizing the other side.
Yes, thank you for sharing that you get all of your news from reddit headlines and picture subs.
Palestine wouldn't have existed without Isreal. It would have been annexed by a neighboring country without the jews they want to kill so badly.