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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Charlie Kirk hates homosexuals so much that the Right Wing Inversion Principle means he must be gay too. He started a movement that acts like a support group to help keep him scared and in the closet.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't he get haircuts tho? He's basically going to hell anyway.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I had no idea sky daddy didn't like haircuts. But, you know what, I'm relieved. Now I know I'm going to hell, uncertainty be gone. And.. and, I can go sporting a fresh trim.

[–] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

His face also gets smaller every time I see him

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (30 children)

I really don't like comments like this. They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't read it as that... To me it looks like being afraid of leaving the closet causes homophobia

This is the same principle as small penis men buying large trucks... They are doubling down on the homophobia display to over compensate for their homosexuality

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But haven't you noticed that every loudmouth homophobe gets called secretly queer?

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it's because they so often are ... It's becoming a stereotype now

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I think they so often are claimed to be. How many actually are? Have there been some? Yes. Do we actually know how many? Even a rough estimate?

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

18 people vs. every single person who says anything homophobic that gets reported on the news since people always claim that person is closeted.

Which is my point.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think they so often are claimed to be

They portrait themselves as raging homophobics just to then pretend to be gay? I don't follow

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I think that other people often make the claim that homophobes are secretly gay and I'm asking if we actually know how many, even based on a rough estimate, that applies to. If not, it's a spurious and rather disturbing claim.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I'm just hoping that the stereotype gets to them and causes them to mellow out in response.

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[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Homophobia is the reason some queer people self hate so goddamn much they lash out at all queer people while the original homophobes cheer it on. Also, some people are just awful, terrible monsters regardless of their sexuality.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.

You don't hear about Muslims being oppressed by secret Muslims.

I cannot provide evidence for this, obviously, but it would seem to me that most bigots are bigots because they're bigoted, not because they're secretly the thing they're bigoted against.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago (26 children)

Religion isn't something intrinsic about a person. If you hate the fact that you're a Muslim, you can opt out.

You cannot opt out being queer.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

I don't think it would be accurate to call someone like Ted Haggard or Marcus Bachmann or Jerry Falwell Jr "queer", as they are deeply closeted and conformist presenting. That said, I do see the consequences of prior iterations of conversion therapy produce a group of incredibly violent and sadistic "ex" gay men.

So I might say that violence against queer people has a cyclical effect and perpetuates homophobia, in the same way that violence against women perpetuates misogyny and violence against pocs perpetuate racism. Some of the people who have had their personalities systematically reshaped through physical and psychological abuse inherit the job of abusing the next generation. They are held up as symbols of the system's success and granted special privilege on the condition they continue the cycle of violence on behalf of the originators of the system.

But when you get behind the Ted Haggards and Marcus Bachmans and Falwell Jrs, you'll routinely find patriarchs fixated on their genetic legacy, who see queer children as a threat to their continued line. The real root of this problem is the fixation on race science and genetic bloodlines. The extremely high opinion that Ronald Reagan or Dick Cheney or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump have of themselves and the desperate need they have for large families that will propagate their own genes leads to this ideological revulsion towards children who won't also have large families.

Its the blue blooded aristocrat's need for racial purity that leads to homophobia. Brutalized ex-gay converts are simply their deputies, in the endless war on their own children and grandchildren in pursuit of even more offspring.

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