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I thought the chat control law idea kinda died already
They will try to bring it back to life every few years or so
political elites in Europe are afraid and fear upheavals are coming in the coming years and months because of the cost of living crisis and the war. They try to clamp down beforehand to preserve their own power. This always happens when things go bad. The leash is kept looser when people behave and it's tightened again when the opposite happens. There is no real freedoms that is given to the people by the elites, because what concessions they give willingly they can just as easily take away when they no longer feel like it. Provided that they think they can get away with it.
It's not just European elites who are afraid of upheaval. It's all of them. It's one of the reasons why they all have bunkers, why Zuckerberg is building another one in Hawaii recently. They know that we can actually do something about them because we outnumber them by a lot, so they build these systems of control. Governments, corps, elites have all become noticeably more brazen in the past several years.
This is why we shouldn't let such people to the government in the first place. Anyone who believes in "patriotism" and "national interest" (that appears to be 99% of people in the democratic world) will disagree though. It's a matter of double standards, lack of understanding and care at this point
That's right, first try to vote and be listen.
nope, they'll vote on it again in the few weeks. if it passes, e2ee messengers will be required to scan images on device before sending them. you will be able to not agree to that, but then you won't be able to send or receive media and links, only text.
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
Here are the first vote results https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712
Great, so I'm seing this right that everyone is voting Yes?
That's it, only the green party is "okay"
Why is this not headline number 1 in every newspaper? It can't get any more dystopian than that. Why does nobody care, god damnit...
You're right this world is crazy, they should talk about the right things...
Why it's not number 1? Because people are using SMS, Messenger and Instagram chats...
Is it true it's already implemented by google, meta...?
No it's not implemented but they would implemented this backdoor if the law pass
https://lemm.ee/comment/12351517
But why can't you just use software from GitHub or F-Droid or something that doesn't have to obey these laws? Is it illegal?
good luck getting everyone you know to communicate with you with "software from GitHub or F-Droid or something". I'm having a hard time making people try out Signal, which is freely available on the major app stores (and which, by the way, has declared that they'll leave the EU market if one device scanning will be enforced on them).
I think this would give me a reason to tell my contacts why I refuse from now on to use whatsapp for instance. I could say something like whatsapp now scans every single photo you send, therefore I won't use it so contact me on some other place.
Good luck with it, mister/miss
Thank you, good luck to you too
That's sad but try to "afraid" a bit that's almost the only way to convinced non-privacy guy to switch...
Sorry, what does "unfraid" mean?
Afraid sorry
Signal is great but lack some points, like the requirement of the mobile number or the centralisation of the servers
okay, but that's not relevant to what I'm talking about here.
Right sorry
I wasn't even talking about such cases. I was talking about people who need really secure and private communication in that particular comment
In fact it would be illegal but you wouldn't take risks by using them. But the authorities could make them shut down one by one
Even if this is illegal - how would such usage be detected? Your device just makes a request to a random domain on a random VPS, and the traffic is TLS-encrypted - would usage of XMPP/Matrix/whatever be that distinct?
I totally understand and this approval is absolutely ridiculous just because it's almost impossible apply this... But even with almost 0 chance applying to every apps it's better to kill this law as soon as possible
They can't if you use a VPN and the app is not in their jurisdiction
That would be difficult for sure but in fact it would be illegal
I don't care if it's illegal if the law violates people's privacy tbh
This person gets it. If something like this is made illegal, the best way to fight it is just to ignore them. After all, they can't lock up everybody. Then they would have no subjects to enslave. I mean tax. I mean enslave.
Right 👍
I understand totally but it is better to stop this law as soon as possible
Agreed
What does "scan" mean here?
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
I read that and hoped for further information.
In fact it would be "scanned" by AI for searching all the kinda sexual, abusive stuff... In fact to protect children
But the link described it as if it'll do database matching to find well-known images.
That's why it's a scan, like done apple with their gallery. Scan signatures, AI recognition etc...
No, what I've interpret from the webpage is far more basic. Just matching images, almost like pixel-by-pixel. If you think about it, legally describing your interpretation (Apple's gallery) is very challenging and is thus possibly infeasible.
As a result, my feeling is that the EU is going with a far inferior method that doesn't have to send images to the server. Technically speaking (they might still require that).
Never, they'll try again and again with different names, covered by different purposes and stuck to another law.
They try every year...