this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2024
843 points (98.3% liked)

News

23367 readers
3106 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Paywall removed: https://archive.is/MbQYG

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Why would that push them to sell?

Edit: so the interest rates have risen several percent along with the cost or labor and materials eating into the profits of serial buyers who leverage loans to buy more on previously purchased properties. If they don’t jack up the rent, they can’t manage the debt.

That said, fuck those guys, hope they go bankrupt. This isn’t someone who has an extra property they invested in years ago, these are the clowns buying everything up and squeezing the market.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 37 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Because they're over leveraged. They've purchased assets when rates were low and now that rates have gone up they haven't factored this into their profit margins and would either go under or not make enough.

It's disgusting. If you have enough money to play the game you should have enough money to live with the consequences and a tenant isn't your get out of jail free card for your shitty planning.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Ok. So they’re playing the old game of leveraging assets (properties) to buy more and painting themselves in a corner because of rates. Well, fuck these serial buyers squeezing the market. Hope they do get forced to sell.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

What is this? Making risky business decisions and getting both private profit and taking private risk? Get out of here you damn socialist! America is when the profits are privatized and the losses are socialised!

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Because they're over leveraged. They've purchased assets when rates were low and now that rates have gone up they haven't factored this into their profit margins

Nobody forced them to make risky business decisions.

This is the consequences of their actions and shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Nobody forced them to make risky business decisions.

Exactly... you want to make a nearly risk free investment? Try a long term bank deposit or invest in government bonds.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. If they get a fixed rate at the time of purchase what difference does it make that rates have gone up?

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Very often these aren't traditional fixed-rate mortgages. That's what they probably have on their "primary" home, but when you're buying homes with the explicit purpose of using them as income generators, the landscape of available loans changes.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for a very well explained response. Also in countries like Canada mortgage terms are redone every 5 years on average making us much more susceptible to rate changes than in America.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago

That’s pretty disgusting. Would do nothing but make you move every five years, and banks are going to screw you over every five years.

[–] rc_buggy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Costs rising more than 3% a year. Since it's California I'd imagine the insurance is going up much faster than 3% of total ownership costs. If small landlords cannot stay in the black because they can't afford the insurance with capped rent increases they will sell to the entities that can afford to self-insure. Corporations like BlackRock

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

After reading a comment by another poster I don’t think these are “small” landlords, at least not mega-corporate buyers, but the kind that serial buy properties leveraging the assets to buy more. So not someone that bought an investment or two but someone buying as many as they can get away with. Maybe the bigger fish are doing it too… but anyway, they don’t have the profit margin on the rates they took the loans that are now rising. They probably didn’t do fixed rates, as you wouldn’t as a non-homeowner. So rates went from 3% to what…8%? Margin is eaten up along with inflation, labor costs, materials, etc.

Screw ‘em. They just want to make the renter eat it so they can profit, I have zero sympathy and I hope they go bankrupt.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Blackrock and other REIT's should be abolished. Using single family homes as an investment vehicle is what got us into this, we need to regulate the bad actors out of the marketplace.

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

everything is an investment if you're stupid enough or the supply is pathetic enough.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

The running costs are not only insurance costs. The insurance "crisis" e.g. entirely predictable results of climate change affects everyone and why would the tenants have to foot the increased risk of damage to their landlords property?

Finally i doubt that it will just be swept up by actors like Blackrock. If the profit is limited due to the law, then the value of the property will reduce until equilibrium at which point each solvent market actor has equal opportunities. Because of the 10 Million property values now at 6 Million, the insurance rate will react accordingly.

[–] TammyTobacco@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Because they're whiny little babies