You sure are. I provided actual sources from mainstream western media that back everything I'm saying. You've just been regurgitating talking points you've memorized this whole time while ignoring the facts. You're not fooling anybody here fam.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, the anti-imperialism talking points handed out by fucking CNN lol, everyone knows they're hard-line antifa.

Hey, how many people have died in this invasion, and how many means of production has it seized for the proletariat?

And on a scale of Fascist Propaganda to Genuine Democracy, how would you rate the validity of the vote to confirm the Anschluss? Compared to Crimean annexation which also featured armed occupation military overseeing the open votes? And a 97% agreement, lmao, like 5% of the population won't vote no on anything just to be assholes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're literally justifying US imperialism and NATO expansion here.

Hey, how many people have died in this invasion, and how many means of production has it seized for the proletariat?

Weird straw man that has nothing to do with anything I said.

And on a scale of Fascist Propaganda to Genuine Democracy, how would you rate the validity of the vote to confirm the Anschluss? Compared to Crimean annexation which also featured armed occupation military overseeing the open votes? And a 97% agreement, lmao, like 5% of the population won’t vote no on anything just to be assholes.

Let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian:

Maybe learn a bit of history of how USSR cobbled Ukraine together, and where its respective parts come from, and who lives there instead of making a clown of yourself here?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Regurgitating memorized talking points indeed, lol. I know you're too smart to honestly complain about NATO "expansionism" while also spouting irredentism.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not spouting that at all, try engage with what's actually being said to you. Are you claiming Stoltenberg was lying when he said NATO expansionism was the reason, why do you think he would lie about that? Why was Russia fine with Ukraine doing its thing until the coup happened? At least try to come up with a narrative that make a bit of sense here.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I understand what you claim to believe.

What I don't understand is why you think it would matter even if it was completely true, given it would still be two fascist empires fighting over territory and crushing the people underfoot.

The only "right" side when capitalists fight is that of the defender, because even capitalists have the right to self defense.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not what I claim to believe it's what the head of NATO openly admits, and what western media has been reporting on in great detail. Meanwhile, what you're doing by equating Russia with fascism is a form of holocaust denial. Claiming that Ukraine is simply defender here requires ignoring all the context for the conflict and what the regime in Ukraine has been doing to people of Donbas. Seeing how comfortable you are with ethnic cleansing, seems to me that it's clear who the actual fascist is.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, Holocaust denial.

Russia existing is not fascism. Russia invading other countries, spreading fascist propaganda in others, and being a capitalist nationalist dictatorship is the fascist part.

If they want to stop doing those things they'll stop being fascists. Or at least active ones.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

When you definitely understand what fascism is.

[–] welldraught@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The dragon fella is obviously a troll or a bot. In this whole discussion he failed to provide single source like you asked him to. Note that it should be relatively easy because he has the western propaganda on his side thanks to his point of view. Thanks for good sources on the donbas atrocities btw.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

I find most of these discussions tend to follow the same script. People just regurgitate the same set of talking points over and over like a broken record. I think we see this a lot because it's a very effective tactic back on reddit where they end up piling on on anybody who says anything different.