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[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I think it's just because people are mean and want someone to bully and trans people aren't quite as protected by society as other marginalized groups yet so they're the easiest target. Plus probably from some people it's fear that if other people are allowed to be who they are then they themselves might realize they aren't the perfect little cis straight christian they want to be seen as.

[–] nulluser@programming.dev 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My first thought in situations like this is that maybe he secretly wishes he were a she. It's true just often enough that I think it's worth considering as an option.

And honestly, I don't care if it's true or not. If, whenever a public figure publicly tries to humiliate or demonize some minority group, public discourse immediately starts talking about whether said public figure secretly is, or wants to be, a member of said minority group, then it serves as a deterrent for others wanting to humiliate or demonize minority groups.

A) You're in the closet and don't want people to know? Then don't ridicule people who came out of the closet.

B) Oh, you're not in the closet and don't want people to think you are? What a coincidence. Also, don't ridicule people who came out of the closet.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

While what you're saying comes from the right place, it can also be dangerous. That attitude/idea can lead to blaming the marginalized group for their own victimhood.

I do think it's more common for gay than trans, and sometimes has a grain of truth. But much of the time people are just assholes looking for someone to bully and hate.

[–] nulluser@programming.dev 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That attitude/idea can lead to blaming the marginalized group for their own victimhood.

Probably a dumb question, but how so?

I just see it as beating the bully with their own stick. I can't imagine how anyone would see that and conclude that the bully's victims are somehow to blame. Probably lack of imagination on my part, so help me out.

[–] a_queer_one@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think the way you applied it showed some nuance, as you talked about it in non-absolute terms. However, when applied broadly it can be harmful.

If we always assume that homophobes and transphobes are queer and trans, then we assume that queer and trans folx are the ones hurting themselves. It's a small jump from there to say that closted lgbtq people are the source of lgbtq people's trauma, which is both harmful and false.

[–] nulluser@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Too many times some shitty person that blamed gays for everything and wanted to rule against them ended up "by mistake" in some party with a dick in his ass.

That doesn't mean there aren't actual bastards that hate anything they don't understand.