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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The fairy dream here is thinking that America is ever going to suffer a violent uprising from a socialist/left direction.

I know if you consume all the propaganda it will feel like this is really the viable solution to so many of our problems, but every meme that proudly shows people in jumpsuits marching under a red flag, they tend to ignore the reality which is if every tankie and socialist were to topple the US government tomorrow, we would still have to live with the hundreds of millions of people who do NOT want a socialist utopia. There is no long-term planning, there is a really delusional belief with some people that actually says "Once the population sees how good it will be, they will fall in line" and I want to scream and physically shake you idiots out there who think this shit.

You can push our society towards more social policies that help more people, but this is nowhere close to a realistic time to talk about actual takeovers and coups. It's insane and stupid and it fucking HURTS the cause advocating for better policies and social services.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No one expects America to turn communist today, not in 10, 20, 50 years. The red scare and capitalist propaganda is so bad it would be idiotic to assume America as a socialist frontier.

But:

  1. We have to work against red scare and change the people, not the government;
  2. We should develop revolutionary movements in other parts of the world. The successes of USSR in the 30s have seriously affected people everywhere, including America.
[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I get involved in my local elections and city/county boards to endorse and support every policy or candidate that either leans distantly socialist, or puts any measure of power or control back in the hands of the people and workers. That alone will do far, far more realistic good for each of us than "developing revolutionary movements." That's still roleplaying and I don't think the USSR's "successes" were as meaningful as the tankies propaganda makes it out to be. But that's not an invite for a biased history lesson.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think USSR really did influence the world in a big way. No debates, just stating my stance.

It is great that you participate in what you do, and I advise any socialist to act the same, but it doesn't mean you can't do both.

Fight the system in existing framework, but don't forget it's not the only way. Think revolutionary, but do not settle for that alone and fight the system by legal means too. One shouldn't exclude the other.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's not what revolutionary Leftists think would happen, lol. That would be adventurism, not a mass worker movement. Please read any book by a revolutionary, nobody is advocating for coups and then hoping everyone falls in line, lol.

It sounds stupid because it is stupid, which is why the adventurists you speak of are seen as ridiculous among revolitionary leftists.