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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide

https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Dessalines AKA "parentis_shotgun" on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.

Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):

https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

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What is a tankie?

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

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[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I had never heard so much about "tankies" before I joined Lemmy.

Before, I had heard it so sparingly that I couldn't remember what it meant.

Perhaps there may be something more to this correlation. Why are people with this worldview so common here? If it's not more common here than anywhere else, why is it brought up so much more frequently?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 37 points 6 months ago

Lemmy was made by Marxists, along Communist principles, both the format and the devs attract Marxists and Anarchists.

There is a lot of conflict between leftists and liberals on Lemmy because there are close to no conservatives.

It's kind of like a Disco Elysium situation, even though non-Marxists can enjoy it and use it, there are going to be more Marxists enjoying it and using it as a proportion, and fewer conservatives.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Why are people with this worldview so common here?

Plenty of them aren't "people," they're simply anonymous accounts used to spread and promote propaganda. Some content generated by people, some from LLMs.

They're common here because they can run their disinformation campaigns without a corporation interfering. Tik Tok isn't the CCP's only attempt to influence people through social media.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you're claiming they are bots, I don't think that's the case. Judging from the little threads I've been reading throughout this post, it seems as if Lemmy was created by some diaspora of Marxists from reddit after reddit banned their stuff. If this is true, you're not interacting with bots, you would be interacting with actual Marxists. People.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some are regular people, some are paid shills, some are bots.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

That's the thing, I think they're all just regular people with more radical views on politics. I feel as if this recent fad of "dead internet theory" which posits the majority of the net is filled with bots, is really an attempts by certain groups to dismiss certain online communities/dismiss the idea that these communities are indicative of some sort of wider trend within society, which is really what I think is an attempts to gain control of what is seen as consensus reality online, dehumanize the other side, and justify the suppression/repression of certain ideas, opinions, and groups.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy was developed, in part, to be a tankie community and they are around if you go outside of lemmy.world.

[–] PastryPaul@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tankie á la .world = anything left of center.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, it is the Soviet Union did nothing wrong in 1956 definition.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The United States exterminated Native Americans and currently is a systemically racist country that murders its dissidents - see Kent State and Ferguson. It also has the largest prison population in the world.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you trying to argue that the two are moral equals?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

How is the United States better given the entirety of its history and current oppression of the working class and minorities? We have a larger prison population than China despite having a far smaller population, and our quality of life has plummeted over the past 2 generations, whereas theirs has drastically improved over the same period

More importantly, why does any of that offend you to hear? You're so patriotically brainwashed that you can't tolerate criticisms of the US? Why would that be in a country that is supposedly free? If you're being oppressed by American oligarchs, then you should want others to point out this oppression so that we can eventually reform our system

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How is the United States better given the entirety of its history and current oppression of the working class and minorities?

I was talking about the definition of tankie and how it is different than leftist. I was not discussing the United States nor was I making an argument that the American system was superior.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You asked me if the United States and China were moral equals.

If you intended to ask something else, then you should improve your ability to write clearly

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago

The original comment you responded to was about the definition of tankie:

[I]t is the Soviet Union did nothing wrong in 1956 definition.

And then you started talking about the United States.