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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The issue then is lobbyist / money in politics.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But we can't have capitalism without lobbyists or money in politics, as can be seen by the fact that we have a single democracy that hasn't been utterly perverted by capitalism. As such, the issue is capitalism and its toxic effect on everything it comes into contact with.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Does Capitalism require lobbyists?

Capitalism, as an economic system characterized by private ownership of the means of production and the pursuit of profit, does not inherently require lobbyists. However, the presence of lobbyists is a common feature in many capitalist societies, particularly in democratic political systems where businesses and other interest groups seek to influence government policy and regulation.

Why Lobbyists are Common in Capitalist Societies Influence on Legislation and Regulation: In capitalist economies, businesses often lobby the government to create favorable conditions for their operations. This includes influencing legislation, regulatory frameworks, and policies that impact their industry.

Protection of Interests: Companies and industries may use lobbyists to protect their interests against unfavorable legislation or regulation that could hinder their profitability or competitive position.

Access to Decision-Makers: Lobbyists provide businesses with access to lawmakers and regulators, facilitating a dialogue where they can present their case and advocate for policies that benefit their operations.

Complexity of Modern Economies: Modern capitalist economies are complex, with numerous sectors and industries. Lobbyists help navigate this complexity by specializing in specific areas of policy and regulation, providing expertise to both businesses and policymakers.

The Role of Lobbyists in Different Contexts Positive Role: Lobbyists can play a positive role by ensuring that policymakers are well-informed about the potential impacts of legislation and by representing the interests of various stakeholders, including small businesses, trade associations, and non-profits.

Negative Perceptions: Lobbying can also be perceived negatively, particularly when it leads to undue influence, corruption, or policies that disproportionately favor wealthy corporations over the public interest.

Alternatives and Checks Public Participation: Encouraging broader public participation in the legislative process can counterbalance the influence of lobbyists.

Transparency and Regulation: Implementing transparency measures and regulations on lobbying activities can help ensure that lobbying serves the public interest and does not lead to undue influence.

In conclusion, while capitalism does not require lobbyists, they have become an integral part of the political and economic landscape in many capitalist societies. Their presence reflects the interaction between economic interests and political decision-making, aiming to shape policies in ways that can support or enhance the functioning of the capitalist system.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't remember saying it required lobbyists or that anything I said required it to be true but I can see why you had to stoop to pretending that I did. I would've struggled too.

WE can have it without them, as can be seen by the fact that we can't have capitalism without them. Maybe capitalism could hypothetically exist without them but not on this planet or with us as the species using it.

Can you show an example of a democracy that hasn't been utterly polluted by capitalism?

Also, love the copy paste, as if it proved anything here. Link your source or its just random BS you stuck > in front of. Also, also "actually, wealthy interests disenfranchising you of your vote and your democracy of validity is a good thing....." too funny.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Democracy in of itself is corrupt. It's why many nations don't want it and why Western powers have to bomb or coerce Democracy into other nations.

Let me be clear, I love Capitalism. I wish everyone in a Capitalist society would become wealthy from their hard work. I hate lobbyists and interests groups. And I hate governments who dk suck lobbyists for their personal gains rather than the prosperity of its citizens.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Representative democracy has its problems but that doesn't mean it can't and isn't further corrupted by capitalism.

Well, when the capitalist powers want something those counties have, they also install dictatorships and theocracies. In fact, capitalism doesn't care what system it is, it will corrupt and toxify them all.