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Because idiots like you spread misinformation to the point people were being assaulted over it AND simply wearing face masks
Not having the vaccine killed and continues to kill people. Not getting the vaccine is fucking stupid
Having recovered from COVID while following quarantine procedures is just as good as having the vax - if not better. No?
No.
Having it can lead to long term damage (lungs, heart, etc.) even if you survive and mostly recover.
Early on they were able to show that people who got the 2 dose initial vaccine showed protection longer than those that were sick with COVID. Again, without the risk of long term organ/system damage.
I'd like to say thank you for being civil and having an actual discussion lol.
Here's a study that came out in Feb 2023 looking at vaccinated protection vs natural immunity -
Article: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
Study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext
The article does promote taking the vaccine as the safer route - which is agreeable if you have co-morbidities. But long term effects of either will only be shown over time, we still need more of that
I'll take the time to look at these after work, but I wanted to briefly chime in.
Co-morbidities or not, we have been aware since the beginning (well before the vaccines were available) that some people continued to have lingering symptoms and suffered other types of damage due to having contracted the virus. For example - an athletic coworker in her early 40s contracted it August 2020, and to this day continues to have heart problems. I work in hospice, and while the numbers are lower than they were over the last few years, we still regularly get patients entering hospice due to damage from COVID.
I have yet to come across a patient who needed hospice services due to a vaccine.
If I'm going to take a "risk" on anything, it'll be the vaccine.
Just out of curiosity, are the people who're entering your hospice from covid vaccinated against it too? It's not easy to discern if it's the virus or the vax if they've had both - and the reporting on it seems shoddy. It's possible that both can cause issues as well.
Anecdotally, regarding your coworker, I've found it around me too that it's some of the most athletic people had the worst time with COVID (not counting elderly or people with co-morbidities). For the people I know personally, they aren't sure if it was from COVID or the vaccine though, as they'd been vaxxed about a month prior to contracting COVID so it's hard to tell. That also speaks a bit to as to how well the vaccine worked lol.
Let me know what you think of that study when you get some time
Moron's take right there
Can you elaborate?
I'm just not sure how we can know long term effects without creating a time machine to go forward
Vaccines have existed for how long?
MRNA vaccines are also not new.
Changing which disease is treated for doesn't magically change the vaccine into something that'll hurt us down the line.
This is really basic vaccine knowledge, you should have learned this in school
I'm happy to be corrected as it is not my area of expertise but I don't believe it has been proven to be anything to do with the new delivery method (mRNA vaccines) causing the extremely serious side effects in a small percentage of people that received the covid vaccines.
Wasn't it more to do with the use of the spike protein itself as an immune trigger? As in that spike protein comes with its own degree of harm to the body regardless if its natural infection or vaccine?
Serious adverse events can happen with any vaccine but the general wisdom is that it affects such a small percentage of people that the risk VS reward still leans in favour of mass vaccination, until it doesn't.
From what I understand, you're correct that the spike protein is what caused the issues, usually to people's hearts if they had an adverse event. The mRNA part is what instructs your cells to produce those spike proteins, which your immune system's antibody's should bond to in a similar way that it would with the corona virus
They're not new? Could you show me what other human vaccines we've made and deployed that use this tech?
Changing the disease it's targeting changes the structures of the proteins that are created from the mRNA vaccine, and will change how your body responds to it (with each body reacting a bit differently) - so each time will warrant testing (ideally) before release to the public, especially before mandates are imposed
NO.
In fact you might suffer long COVID symptom which vaccinated people that avoided covid don't have to .