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[–] knightly@pawb.social 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Gender existed long before chromosomes were discovered.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I agree with you but this doesn't exactly counter their point. The scientific explanation for sex was not discovered until recently but the biological differences have been obvious since the dawn of time. Gender is a social construct yes, but it's framed around real biological differences and ignoring that is.. idk. Confusing and kind of irresponsible? The social constructs we've formed are heavily influenced by the biological differences between the sexes and you can't just wave that away and expect people to understand what you're saying.

Talking about gender being a social construct is honestly pretty mind bending, even if you are entering the conversation 100% open minded.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Gender is the idea that different sexes should have different appearances, clothing, roles, tasks, etc.

For example women have long hair, wear make up and dresses. If a man did that they would be breaking gender norms. None of those 3 behaviors are biological. Another society could have those 3 things reversed and be otherwise identical.

The fact gender is a social construct isn't that complicated.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, for starters, I'm not contradicting their point, I'm confirming it. The use of "cis" or "trans" in terms of gender and the knowledge of chromosomes are recent social constructions. The confusion seems to be in what is actually meant by "social construction".

For example, you keep saying "biological differences" without prepending the word "stereotypical" in such a way that leads me to believe that you still think of sex as a pair of essential categories.

Gender is a social construct, yes, but Sex is a set of simplified generalizations about multiple highly complex and frequently interrelated phenomena that cannot be reduced to anatomy or chromosomes alone.

Ignoring the fact that these generalizations about sex are mere stereotypes to which many people do not conform is much more irresponsible than insufficiently explaining the social construction of gender.