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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It'll stop when Russia leaves.

Edit: anyone who supports Russia is a fascist. Follow your Leader.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn't going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want

That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So in your mind there's no situation where ukraine doesn't win this war?

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net -1 points 1 year ago

So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Go back to your Fox News with that bullshit