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"Medical freedom", the rallying cry for all kinds of grifters spreading disinformation and wanting to roll back the progress made in public health.
And they don't seem to like the fact that they have the freedom to filter the fluoride back out of the water.
...what?
AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE FREEDOM TO FILTER THE FLUORIDE BACK OUT OF THE WATER.
fluoride is not easy to filter - its smaller than water molecules.
Right.
Let's put any amount of contaminates in our drinking water just so people can "filter them out."
I swear, some of you people are just too far gone.
Again, there are places where fluoride occurs naturally in drinking water at higher concentrations than it is added artificially and there don't seem to be significant health problems.
Hmmmmm no ! I'm not against fluoride in water, I don't care since I don't live in north america but spreading disinformation does not help.
There is regions, especially in India, where fluoride occurs by naturally in water in high concentration which is causing multiple serious health issues.
Neurology of endemic skeletal fluorosis
Cool. I said higher concentrations that are added artificially, not extremely high concentration.
I'm simply replying that there is places where fluoride occurs naturally in drinking water at higher concentration that it is added artificially and there is significant health problems in these places.
Does it means that fluoride in low concentration like in the US water system is dangerous ? No, it just means that very high concentration can be dangerous.
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Says who?
Yes, the World Heath Organization (WHO) does say it is not a contaminent and that appropriate levels are needed.
WHO is never wrong.
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Complains about cherrypicking as he cherrypicks.
Lol. Jk. They're right about most things, but are they right about everything?
That's the problem with treating science like a religion.
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all scientists and health authorities are wrong so instead we should believe a wacky guy on the internet with no sources, credentials, or evidence? Ok...
I never said that.
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Literally every person who understands science and water treatment
Didn't know there were so many water experts on lemmy.
Lol three weeks later... I know you're being facetious, but I'm literally an engineer. I'd rather not dox myself so I won't be more specific, but yes I do know about water treatment.
Sure you do.
Lol the funny thing is that comebacks like that are completely worthless when the thing I originally said is actually true.
It reminds me a bit of the "you still live in your mom's basement," insult. Like it just falls flat when you say it to someone who's lived alone for a decade... It just doesn't work.
But I don't need to prove shit to some idiot on the internet.
Okay man.
Except fluoride isn't a contaminate.
According to what?
Every single scientific study regarding the use of fluoride in drinking water to help protect oral health. Link me a scientific study that proves flouride in drinking water is harmful.
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Or, give people the option to choose for themselves.
Scientific consensus has been wrong many times before, and it will be wrong many times again.
You do have the option to choose for yourself.
You can not only choose to filter it out, you can choose which filter you want to purchase from a selection. Here you go. https://apexwaterfilters.com/blogs/top-5-water-filters-to-remove-fluoride-from-water/
Right.
Let’s put any amount of contaminates in our drinking water just so people can “filter them out.”
Someone mentioned arsenic earlier in this thread, and I think I can find some study that says arsenic is good for you. Let's add it to our water and anyone who thinks it's harmful can just filter it out.
Also, I'm adding my fecal matter to the water supply to improve people's microbiomes. They can just filter it out if they don't like it.
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I'm struggling with this.
You're saying that because science was wrong about something else, it must be wrong about fluoride?
I think that if you really dig into it, you'll find that arsenic use wasn't supported by science, but rather snake oil salesmen.
This is where your confusion comes from. I never said it's wrong about fluoride.
My point is that unless you understand the science yourself, you have faith in other people who do. Scientific consensus has been wrong in the past, and it will be wrong again in the future.
Everyone saying with such certainty that fluoride is good or bad without understanding the science themselves just highlights how most people treat science like a religion.
That's just not true. By it's very nature, what we describe as "science" is reproducible. That means faith is not required.
If you understand the science yourself, then you're correct.
The problem is that most people don't understand the science and just have faith in other people who might.
No, my point is that because "science" is reproducible, you do not need faith in the people producing said science, nor do you need to understand it.
You merely need to confirm that it has been reviewed and accepted by other people who do understand it.
Have faith.
Semantics.
To me, faith is belief without evidence.
The science is the antithesis of faith, because it's a system of evidence and confirmation.
If you want to water "faith" down to mean the acceptance of evidence which you have not personally tested then it becomes meaningless. That's flat earth stuff. "I personally have not seen the curvature of the Earth therefore it is flat".
It's a system that has been routinely wrong before.
Do you think it's never going to be wrong again? That's having faith.
False, disingenuous, straw man.
"Routinely wrong" is not an apt description of the scientific method.
I didn't say science will never be wrong.
Feel free to have the last word but I'm not going to try to reason you out of an unreasonable position. Good day sir.
You're right.
Scientific consensus is never wrong and it will never be wrong again.
My bad.