this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
84 points (94.7% liked)
Asklemmy
43945 readers
672 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy ๐
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
So in short, does the evidence linked mean that Jewish history and origin don't align sith the Bible? Shocker. As if anything in there shouldn't be taken with a bucketful of salt.
It's more the opposite.
That the mythologized history in the Bible does check out to a surprising degree for a LBA/Iron Age tribal ancestral origin of many Jews alive today.
The problem is it's not for the Israelites and Judah, and that's what's going to be the very controversial part.
So... the origin aligns with the bible, but what happened after that, doesn't? Sorry if I'm being annoying, I'm still a bit sleepy and trying to make sense of this.
Yeah.
You literally have a story in the Bible where a dude gets what appears in the text to be a matrilineal birthright stolen from him by the guy named 'Israel.'
Basically as time went on there's this aggressive rewriting of earlier periods of the history. It's hard to identify exactly when this happens (the Bible suggests it's earlier on, but the reforms are anachronistic given discovered communications with Jerusalem and a Greek historian in antiquity claimed the history of the Jews had recently been edited by Persian and Macedonian rulers).
But much like how Greek stories made pretty much everyone important Greek, the Israelite and Judean version of their history made everyone important Israelite or Judean and had the stories take place locally where they definitely didn't happen.
After the 10th century BCE the Biblical history starts to check out more and more, but before that it's not at all true for the people and places claimed. But it seems to be in line in parts with attested history of different people who were settled in the area between the 12th and 10th centuries BCE.