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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Some people seem way too okay with there being two bad choices for president.

Others seem way too resistent to any attempt to make one of those choices not bad.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There's a difference between being okay with something and begrudgingly working with circumstances while simultaneously criticizing people who give up because things aren't perfect.

I'm not okay with Biden being the best candidate, but that doesn't make abstention a viable voting strategy.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Begrudgingly working with circumstances and giving up because things aren't perfect can easily be the same thing. That criticism has got to come with some cognitive dissonance.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck are you talking about?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"giving up" takes many forms.

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well yeah, but that's a pretty broad spectrum. Giving up by not participating at all is a higher degree of apathy than "giving up" by realistically evaluating your situation and recognizing that participating in a deeply flawed system will still have a chance of moving the needle in the direction you want it to go, or at least stopping it from moving the other direction.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Right, so I wouldn't equivocate students protesting staunch support for a genocide as 'giving up'. These are specifically people trying to move the needle of a deeply flawed system.

To quote old song, they're 'young people speaking their minds getting so much resistance from behind.'

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

by realistically evaluating your situation

Your only acceptable measure of that is if I vote for Biden which makes me unable to realistically evaluate my situation by definition. There's no point in making this argument. We aren't going to see things the same way. One of us has to compromise. If you can't see it's moderates and liberals turn to make some serious and material compromises leftwards then you never will.

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. The situation is that you will realistically have two choices for president. Voting for anything other than one of those two choices is effectively pointless as it will have no impact on the outcome except to withhold a vote from one of the two candidates that are going to win.

Anything else that you choose is symbolic at best but effectively meaningless.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The phrase "there are 3 bad choices for president" is true, but is so hilariously reductionist. I'm not saying you, in particular, are evaluating it through this lense, just that there is a difference between the "bad" here, and it's really, really obvious.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

It is a reference to the two party system that constrains the election to what is often considered the picking the lesser of two evils.