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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure I get that, but I would also point out that you aren't personally getting food into Gaza. Trump is going to tear down the humanitarian aid for Palestinians that Biden and the Democrats are working through the diplomatic process.

When Trump is elected and this genocide becomes a success, make no mistake, you will have had a hand in that, and I think you would lose that ability to criticize Biden.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the humanitarian aid for Palestinians that Biden and the Democrats are working through the diplomatic process.

This is not happening. It's a fairy tale

this genocide becomes a success

Already is.

I think you would lose that ability to criticize Biden.

I think everyone who voted for Biden in 2020, which includes me, is culpable for this genocide.

Unfortunately, the United States is not a democracy. It is a dictatorship of the oligarchs. Which means there is no way to influence policy on which the oligarchs agree. This Zionist genocide is one such example. Another is single payer healthcare. And workplace democracy.

This country is a hellhole whose living conditions will continue to deteriorate for the rest of our lives, much like they have since 1968. Voting for Biden or for trump will not change that.

Moving to somewhere like Denmark is the best possible option. No American should have any hope for this country. It is naive to think that Biden and The Democrats will do anything to meaningfully improve the country or the world. They are owned by the oligarchs - they just don't actively hate guys or women.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are privileged enough to go to Denmark, that's great.

They aren't accepting over 300 million migrants. Just because you won't be paying the repurcussions for your helping the Trump campaign doesn't make you the moral beacon you pretend to be.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, I can't go to Denmark, actually. Everyone who can go, should go.

This country is fucked regardless of who wins. Neoliberals like the Democrats have destroyed the United States and killed the New Deal. Which is inevitably going to cause this country to elect a fascist. If not Trump in 2024, then someone else in 2028 or 2032. There is no way out of this except for socialism, or, at the least, social democracy. Which is impossible, because our oligarchs will never allow such a thing.

You and I are on the Titanic. Neither of us are getting a lifeboat. Accept that.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I gotta say this message has a pretty big red flag for me. The American movement is referred to as Democratic Socialism.

I don't think an American leftist would make that mistake, nor be unaware that our movement is actively infiltrating the democratic party, nor that our relevance within the Democratic Party has never been greater.

I'm sorry, but I think you are almost certainly astroturfing.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I have no idea what you're talking about

Sanders is a self-proclaimed democratic socialist. But so what? You think the average person under 40 is actually afraid of socialism? You think that's a bad word? What are you, a boomer?

Also, considering that you're defending American oligarchy and genocide, it's pretty clear that you're astroturfing

How's the weather at Eglin Air Force base in May?

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nothing you just said makes any sense.

The term you used "social democracy" is not what the movement is called in the US. That's a European thing. democratic socialism is the movement Americans Americans are fighting for.

It's curious that when I pointed this out to you, you immediately accused me of being a boomer in the air force afraid of Democratic socialism despite just being told I am one.

Thanks for outing your account!

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The term you used "social democracy" is not what the movement is called in the US

Social democracy and democratic socialism are two completely different things. The former is liberalism (with an enormous welfare state - which is what the Nordic countries have and what the US has never actually had and have diminished since 1968.) The latter is socialism. Please do not correct anyone about misuse of terms unless you actually understand what you're talking about. Log off and read before spreading ignorance - unless you enjoy being accused of astroturfing.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

...i am aware they are two separate things.

My god, bots are getting quite good. A boomer in the air force scared of socialism, for instance. Iquite creative.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're embarrassed about being wrong and now you're lashing out.

So not only do you not understand political theory, but you're willing to defend genocide when it's done by the blue team

You should pray that hell does not exist

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 months ago

Lol. You are so adorable.