China xenophobic? I don’t think Biden knows what the word means. The oldest mosque outside of the Middle East is in China of all places built in 627 CE, and still standing.

What happened to the mosques in Spain and Occupied Palestine? Turned into bars and chicken coops.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. China 1400 years ago isn't in any way the same as China today. Nowadays it's that most Muslim Chinese groups are accepted as Chinese (the Hui are about as Chinese as the Han, for example) and that's why they can practice Islam in peace; otherwise you're treated like the Uighurs. Also foreigners in China are absolutely treated as outsiders; that's just a fact.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

dynasties and ideologies came and went in China and the mosques still stand

what happened to mosques in Spain? what is happening to mosques in Occupied Palestine and India right now?

Islam is xeno (foreign) to China and yet you have mosques from the 7th and 8th centuries still standing

otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs.

here's an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven't been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.

The issue for the Uyghurs is separatism, not Islam or culture in particular. No nation will tolerate separatists. https://dkiapcss.edu/college/publications/uyghur-muslim-ethnic-separatism-in-xinjiang-china/ https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/east-turkestan-islamic-movement-etim

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation report on the Uyghur did not find anything concerning, though the OIC has been criticized by Western rights groups. Interestingly, when it comes to Palestine the situation is reversed, where the OIC is speaking up but Western rights groups have been mostly silent. It is confusing seeing Anthony Blinken criticize China for the alleged genocide of Uyghurs, I haven't seen any images or videos that suggest it is real, but unabashedly defend Israel's actions which are clear and evident genocide.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim (I think you mentioned that somewhere else before???) what you're doing right now is actually shameful. Just a week ago one man was arrested because he was advising people to not drink or smoke. Uighurs are literally sent to concentration camps and are subjected to forced labor and there you are defending their treatment because you don't like the West. You need to rethink your priorities, seriously.

here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.

I mean yes that's the problem. Islam is no longer foreign to China; again the Hui are as Chinese as the Han. Islam is not, in fact, xeno in China. The Uighurs are, being Turkic people.

Western rights groups have been mostly silent.

What? The Palestinian cause has progressed light years thanks to the work of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They came late to the party but they have not been silent, no way.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim

So you're gonna minstrel out for the white man, parrot his bullshit when I know for a fact you've never once set foot near Xinjiang? Can you even pronounce Xinjiang? How about organizations of your presumed peers, since you wanna claim Islam like that, how about the OIC reports that found nothing worth talking about there? Why hasn't anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs? 🦝 shit if you actually are what you claim to be.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Why hasn’t anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs?

Because there's absolutely no awareness about the issue here. Or about almost anything concerning Russia and China. People here thing Russia is their friend and Ukraine deserves it for having a Zionist president while forgetting that it's Russia behind Al Asad. Also China is, when all's said and done, on good terms with the Middle East and general Muslim world. I don't think anyone is too excited to damage that relation by acknowledging the Uighurs' suffering.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Jesus fuckin christ the last time I heard this much coonery in one place I was listening to Morehouse's faculty breathlessly justifying Biden giving a commencement speech in the midst of a verifiable genocide he aids and abets. You really think no one in that region has put eyes on the Xinjiang situation? You really think we have issues with Ukraine over the Zionist issue first and foremost when we've been VERY LOUD ABOUT THE NAZIS IN THEIR BRIGADES?? You might as well be Anglo-Amerikan for how you're talking right now.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but

but you're about to power right on through that, aren't you?

otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs.

Shot, chaser. Thanks for giving me a three-line lib Bingo, btw; the last space I needed was 'someone trying to resurrect Adrian Zenz in this thread'.

[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

not demolishing a single mosque isn't exactly the kind of standard one sets when determining xenophobia

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

still a higher standard than many modern Western states such as Israel, or a modern democracy such as India, if the Chinese were xenophobic they could have demolished the mosque at any point in history, they didn't