It seems like the FOSS community is continuing to grow, and FOSS apps keep getting better (Immich reallh blew my mind recently), which is a big win 😎 but there are still many apps I use that I would kill for an open source alternative. I am curious what you guys think? Are there any apps you'd love alternatives for?

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Exactly... easily replaceable but you have an endless whining of users that imagine they might somehow in the future need this one feature that office has but alternatives don't.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's an increasingly small number, if only because now Google is in that market, too.

However, there is a second reason you need Office, and that's compatibility. I don't use Office for work normally, but I still have an Office account (which, annoyingly, is how you pay for Office now), because I have clients who want to work on their formats and it doesn't make sense for me to work around compatibility and have an argument about it instead of just paying for the damn thing and working with whatever software other people want to work.

But if I was by myself and didn't need to work with anyone else ever? Yeah, I would not miss much from Office, honestly.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But if I was by myself and didn’t need to work with anyone else ever? Yeah, I would not miss much from Office, honestly.

That's my position as well. But there are certain features that I do require for work and other integrations with other MS products that you can't get elsewhere.

As you said if one lives in a bubble and doesn’t to collaborate with others then native Linux apps might work and might even deliver a decent workflow. Once collaboration with Windows/Mac users is required then it’s game over – the “alternatives” aren’t just up to it.

Windows/Office licenses are "cheap" and things work out of the box. Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’re productive from day zero. Sure, there are annoyances from time to time, but for most people they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive FOSS-only experience. It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want to spend fixing things and dealing with small compatibility issues that simply work out of the box under MS for a minimal fee. For most people paying for MS and doing their job right away delivers a better ROI than going FOSS and then doing their job while dealing with the small details.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I object to that "work out of the box" comment. I have lost more work hours to OneDrive being terrible than to any single other technical reason. Office has at least as many quirks and inefficiencies as any of its alternatives.

It's a bit of a standard and it doesn't... not... work? So yeah, it's the go-to you have to have as a fallback for things to not get annoying when you work with multiple other people outside your same organization on something. Alternatives are as good or better, though, especially if you consider commercial ones as well as FOSS ones.

But yeah, it's priced just so that it makes sense to pay for it and not use it over not having it ready to go when you need it. On purpose. Which sucks.

Windows is a different story. Quirky and annoying yes, but not more so than the alternatives and definitely the standard for big chunks of things in ways that it's not trivial to replace.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

Teams is also the meeting system furthest from "just works" in my experience. Not sure where all the Microsoft apologists get those ideas that stuff made by Microsoft "just works".

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But yeah, it’s priced just so that it makes sense to pay for it and not use it over not having it ready to go when you need it. On purpose. Which sucks.

Yes, marketing. Microsoft is good at it.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't even know if I give them that. I guess pricing things just at the edge of you begrudgingly buying them instead of going elsewhere is "marketing" if you squint. I mean, by all accounts they're worse at branding than Apple and worse at PR than literally everybody else in their competing markets. After a certain critical mass it probably doesn't matter much, I suppose. At least not short term.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Well by definition it's marketing. Communication, branding, PR are just some disciplines of Marketing, pricing definition is another and you can always be at the "edge of you begrudgingly buying them" then you're good, very good at it.