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cross-posted from: https://feddit.uk/post/10012136

Earlier this year, Germany's environment ministry suggested there should be stricter limits on importing trophies from hunting animals.

Botswana's President Mokgweetsi Masisi told German media this would only impoverish people in his country.

He said elephant numbers had exploded as a result of conservation efforts, and hunting helped keep them in check.

Germans should "live together with the animals, in the way you are trying to tell us to", Mr Masisi told German newspaper Bild. "This is no joke."

Botswana is home to about a third of the world's elephant population - over 130,000 - more than it has space for.

Herds were causing damage to property, eating crops and trampling residents, Mr Masisi said.

Botswana has previously given 8,000 elephants to neighbouring Angola, and has offered hundreds more to Mozambique, as a means of bringing the population down.

"We would like to offer such a gift to Germany," Mr Masisi said, adding that he would not take no for an answer.

Botswana's Wildlife Minister Dumezweni Mthimkhulu last month threatened to send 10,000 elephants to London's Hyde Park so British people could "have a taste of living alongside" them.

In March, UK MPs voted to support a ban on importing hunting trophies, but the legislation has further scrutiny to pass before becoming law.

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[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Botswana has a point. If a German went to Sweden to hunt moose and brought back the head, nobody would flinch.

If hunting is cruel ban import of moose products first and see how the debate goes.

[–] Giado@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

German Green Party is extremely fundamentalist and they think they are saving the world by lecturing African countries how to run their country.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And getting rid of nuclear, bunch of idiots

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol, the conservatives got rid of nuclear.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did I say they were pro nuclear? No.

Did the conservatives kill german nuclear? Yes.

Is it too late now to get nuclear working again? Also yes.

Is it a shame nuclear was killed off early? Absolutely.

Did the conservatives kill renewables earlier so Germans had to rely on coal and gas for too long? Correct.

My "signature" for this topic (German unfortunately):

Abschließend will ich dem Thema anfügen, dass wir für mehr als ein Jahrzent eine Politikerin im höchsten politischen Amt hatten, die schon vor dem Antritt der Position überzeugt war, etwas gegen den Klimawandel tun zu müssen und dann fast nichts erreicht hat{pdf} und selbst unzufrieden ist!

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I apologize, I can't remember where I heard my information but apparently it was wrong. I just know the Greens in Canada are anti nuclear too. Its a shame we have so many uneducated politicians

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The German government and science have a very stable relationship.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Obviously not about nuclear power since they shut em all down.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stable as in "consistently denying it"

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Imagine believing nuclear energy is green. Idiot.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If it isn't green, why is it glowing green in cartoons and comics?

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

Nuclear is 1000x more energy dense than coal. Idiot

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking it's not a lot better than coal.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine believing that it's an alternative.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is Germany now buying electricity from France and their Nuclear fleet?

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The electricity trade between France and Germany was almost in balance in 2023, +1.2TWh in favour of France. It's not much compared with the trade balance of +13.3TWh with the United Kingdom, which nevertheless uses nuclear energy extensively, and this, for equivalent volumes.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's a very weak point.

A foreign country doesn't want to import animals, and you get mad at them? Get your domestic shit together!

That's like saying that NYC resents Argentina for not taking any of its city rats.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No. It would be if Argentina told NYC that putting out rat traps is cruel and Argentina will block important NYC trade because of this.

NYC would then rightfully ask Argentina if they would like some of their fucking rats because there sure are a lot of them and they provide very little to the NYC economy outside of selling rat traps.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Oh shit. Well, that's fucked up.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

It's not a country not wanting to, it's the government. Clearly Germans do want to go there, kill an elephant and take a trophy, if not the whole ban is pointless