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It doesn't matter if it's a CD, a Film, or manual with the instructions to build a spaceship. If you copy it, the original owner doesn't lose anything. If you don't copy it, the only one missing something (the experience) is YOU.

Enjoy!

Of course, if you happen to have some extra money for donations to creators, please do so. If you don't have that, try contributing with a review somewhere or recommending the content, spread the word. Piracy was shown to drive businesses in several occasions by independent and biased corps (trying to show the opposite).

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[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd love to be able to actually discuss this, because a wall of text isn't at conducive to healthy discussion.

Your concert example is frankly ridiculous. A better one is people sneaking in without paying. Overhearing a few minutes of muffled bars of music does not compare with going to the show - what nonsense! That you claim it proves your point, well... You're dreaming.

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not a wall of text, I spent quite a bit of time carefully breaking down all of my points by numbered section.

If it's too much work for you to go through my post and address each point like I have been doing for yours, then I don't think we have much else to discuss.

One last question: Is it wrong for you to go to a bookstore, read a book, and put it back on the shelf without buying it? What about reading just 75% of it? 50%? How about just the first chapter to see if you like it? Or do you think it would be wrong to even skim the first page without buying it?

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't have the energy to dissect your 20 part manifesto, sorry.I appreciate the effort, but got lost in the bullet points (the un-bulleted things felt like responses to the bullet and I wondered who you were replying to). It all felt like the crazed conspiracy theorist meme, sorry. I'm on a phone and it's such a shitty interface to wade through complex argument

As for books - No way, it's not wrong at all, and I regularly pirate music before I buy it, for example. We're not that different, I'm probably just accepting more 'guilt' for what I pirate.

Do you agree that physical goods are a whole different set of circumstances to abstract things? (As in, how the rolex is fundamentally different to the concert experience)

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To each their own I guess.

So if you think the book example is fine even reading the whole thing and never paying for it, how is that any different from any other piracy examples? You consumed media that the artist created in its entirety without giving them any compensation.

I agree that physical goods are totally different, but in my magical wizard example, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

A real life example is if I take a digital scan of a 3D figurine, turn it into a 3D model, and let other people on the web download it and 3D print it.

Did I "steal" anything? Of course not. Nobody is being deprived of anything at all.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

See with books, that's where out gets complicated. I don't agree that reading part of the book is a problem, but the whole book does count as piracy to me. I do admit I don't know where the line is crossed. It's great the way libraries skirt around this problem and I don't really know how that fits in the broader scheme.

Perhaps another great idea is a magazine where there's really only one or two articles of interest - in my mind, have at it and consume what's of interest without shelling out for the whole thing (this is a lot like time-shifting, where recording content played on the air at a certain but inconvenient time is absolutely fair use).

Format shifting via a 3d scanner is fine but uploading to for others is where it's problematic - personal use has always abominated various liberties, I felt.

Great thought experiments, cheers