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[โ€“] esc27@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If there exists a place outside time, then the only way to travel there is to already be there, and if you are there, you can never leave.

[โ€“] dbug13@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The measurement of time, the measurement of the constant of change, is very different than our experience of time. For example, you never experienced a past, you experienced Now measured as the Present, just as you are currently experiencing Now measured as the Present, and will not experience the future, it will be Now measured as the Present. All you have ever experienced is a perpetual fixed Now. This is true for all of us. All measurements of time occur within a fixed Now, so we can say all time is Now.

Depending on certain spiritual views, what we call the Now is also called the "I Am", or consciousness, or awareness, etc. This "I Am" is intangible and exists outside of time, therefore, depending on your spiritual beliefs, you are the object, existing in a place outside of time, and are already there, and have never left.

This just broke my brain. I might need to read about this for hours now. Good bye.

Jokes aside! Thank you very much. This was most interesting!

[โ€“] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This could be assuming there's only one timeline we're currently inhabiting. There could be nested meta times or spacetimes encompassing the universe, leaving us in a series of overlapping Nows. Or maybe the forward passage of time and causality end up only being true locally, and in other places in the cosmos time can run in loops or backwards or not at all. In that case Now could mean different things to different observers depending where and when you are.

[โ€“] dbug13@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

If Now exists outside of time, then the measurement of time weather it's measured as a loop, forward, backward, in a spiral, etc. would have no effect on the Now. From the Now's perspective all of time has already occurred, is occurring, and has yet to occur all at once. If Now's position is fixed, then it would appear in multiple timelines at once, and in multiple locations at once.

Time is simply a measurement of the constant of change, which is itself a paradox, something false that continuously proves itself to be false, or something in motion that continuously keeps itself in motion. So we can say something that is false is something that is mutable and movable. Then an object that is not false, outside of the constant of change, would be immutable, in-movable, and fixed, like the Now. Time would move around it, while it remains stationary and unaffected.

[โ€“] mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 months ago

That's what Buddhas have been saying!