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Ms. Soussana, 40, is the first Israeli to speak publicly about being sexually assaulted during captivity after the Hamas-led raid on southern Israel. In her interviews with The Times, conducted mostly in English, she provided extensive details of sexual and other violence she suffered during a 55-day ordeal.

Ms. Soussana’s personal account of her experience in captivity is consistent with what she told two doctors and a social worker less than 24 hours after she was freed on Nov. 30. Their reports about her account state the nature of the sexual act; The Times agreed not to disclose the specifics.

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For months, Hamas and its supporters have denied that its members sexually abused people in captivity or during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack. This month, a United Nations report said that there was “clear and convincing information” that some hostages had suffered sexual violence and there were “reasonable grounds” to believe sexual violence occurred during the raid, while acknowledging the “challenges and limitations” of examining the issue.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I thought they must have been referring to the millenia long holy war over the land, started when the Jews first conquered the land from its previous inhabitants millenia ago. Then the Muslims came and settled there in recent history, and then the Jews tried to take it bac

What millennia long holy war? Jews conquered large parts of Palestine (not all of it AFAIK), settled there, then (omitting some stuff) the Romans kicked many of them out of there. Then Muslims conquered the region, and that ended that. While some Muslims settled in Palestine (like they did in their other territories) the idea that the original inhabitants are gone and the people living in Palestine now are descended from Arabs is a myth.

Edit: The current conflict started in 1917 and any attempt to make it look more complex by tying it to the Jews' debacle with the Romans is either ignorant or made in bad faith to both sides the conflict.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jews conquered large parts of Palestine (not all of it AFAIK)

This isn't really true to the historical record, not that it's significantly relevant to the modern conflict. Contrary to the Biblical Exodus account, from what the archeological and linguistic record seems to show, a unique Jewish culture seems to organically emerge from a particular group of Canaanites who were not otherwise previously distinct from any of their neighbors. There certainly was no mass migration and conquest from Egypt. Over time, the Jews/Israelites developed a distinct cultural identity, possibly with some amount of external influence, and later developed individual minor kingdoms before being subjugated by the Egyptian New Kingdom, the Assyrians (thus the Lost Tribes of Israel), the Babylonians (thus the first Exile and the destruction of the first Temple), the Persians (who returned the previously exiled Jews), Alexander the Great, and lastly the Romans, who destroyed the Second Temple and began the Diaspora.

Again though, none of this should really be seen as being particularly relevant to the modern issue any more than Roman territorial claims are to the modern borders of Italy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

Again though, none of this should really be seen as being particularly relevant to the modern issue any more than Roman territorial claims are to the modern borders of Italy.

True enough, but it helps when even the nonsense argument is false.

[–] matjoeman@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the idea that the original inhabitants are gone and the people living in Palestine now are descended from Arabs is a myth.

Anywhere I can read more about this?