I said this on Reddit and they agreed that you don't deserve to be alive if you're not working, it's really a disease of the mind to believe this shit.

[–] Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 55 points 8 months ago

I mean it does make sense if you keep in mind that we traded having to hunt and forage for a system that let's you buy these things indirectly with currency.

You just need to leave out the whole thing of empathy and morality and reduce the whole system to a exchange of goods and services for money.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is a difference between believing everyone owes a debt to the society and civilization you participate in to support those who cannot support themselves, and not deserving to live if you didn't fit into the rigid hierarchy structures we've built for work. But often these sentiments get mixed together.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think they do. In our society we don’t really let people die just because they don’t fit in. When there’s someone who can’t take care of their self, we take care of them.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where are you talking about and comparing to what? Cause I see a lot of people dying in the streets because of mental illness or drug addiction when I take the subway to work. We don't throw them away like ancient Sparta but we definitely don't come close to providing the services they need to the things they need to begin to get off the street. Cause the solution now is put the homeless in prison and that's going just fine right? ...Right?

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lmao. What fairy tale society do you live in?

As a selfish conservative you should already know that they are the exact ones who want to steal every single security net from every citizen whilst simultaneously enabling corporations to destroy unions and create monopolies.

I mean c'mon, you have to know this. It's the core tenet of the traitor supporting party. Thieving, stealing, cheating, and lying are all that the magat traitors have to offer.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I live in reality, and I myself have been given free resources when I’ve been unable to work.

In my country, I have never seen a hungry person who could not obtain food due to lack of fitting in or having money or any requirement other than “oh that person has a stomach and needs food, so let’s feed them”.

That is the reality I see all around me. If you want to call that a “fairy tale”, I challenge you to provide evidence of a person being treated in the way you’re describing. Anywhere other than say a concentration camp or japanese pow camp.

What part of our society is letting people die because they don’t fit in? This is a serious question, because everybody seems to believe what I’m saying is a fairy tale, and yet I see it happening all around me.

How, exactly, are you getting the impression out society is one that doesn’t value the life of people who don’t fit in?

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Lmao you do realize Republicans are campaigning on ELIMINATING school lunches for underprivileged children?

They are also planning on cutting social security and other safety nets.

They want poor and disabled people to starve. It's their only plan.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s more like you haven’t earned the right for other people to do the work of keeping you alive.

Human life requires work to sustain. Someone has to do that work. The most fair system is one in which that responsibility falls on the person benefitting from it.

ie, to be alive, you must contribute work. Because your life requires work to maintain.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm so torn on this meme because on the one hand I have the same gut reaction of "yeah, but youll die if you don't do jack shit in the woods, you kind of have to be useful to live".

But then I think about our society ...... the billions of dollars going to rich people who do nothing, the millions of people who work in jobs that are useless, or the millions who work jobs that actively harm society, and in that context, the amount and type of work does seem like bullshit. It's not like going into your marketing firm 5/7 days of your life means a farmer gets to work less. People like to comfort themselves with vain thoughts like 'we all just gotta do our partfor the system to work', but that's objectively not true. Lots of parts of our system are objectively bullshit and are excised completely through new laws and legislation and society keeps working fine, in some cases much better.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago

"Earning a living" doesn't state that people should die if the choose to be a grifter or a thief or some other dishonest person that takes from others and doesn't contribute to society. It just means those people didn't earn their living.

In a functional society everyone should contribute to better the society. "Earning a living" is a statement of pride in contributing to society value equal to or greater than the value you get from it. If someone is making a living through dishonest means so isn't earning a living, it can be something they should be ashamed of

Note that socialist societies have similar expressions like "from each according to their ability to each according to their need". The intent is the same, encourage people to contribute to society. What if I don't contribute according to my ability and just want to take what I need? Does that statement imply I'll be sent to a gulag if I don't contribute according to my ability? OMG socialism says I don't deserve to live!!!

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This meme is mainly talking about workers who are worked to death to "earn a living". Capitalists who leech off of workers do not deserve to be alive.

Of course, that's not the case for those who are physically unable to work to the same extent as others. Basically, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

We have more than enough resources for everyone, so long as the working class can control the means of production instead of the capitalists who try to hoard all the wealth.

[–] UnRelatedBurner@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago

I could see why tho. What happens today is not the same as this ideal probably. You could argue that if your a fit, 20s, healthy, etc. and you just sit home all day, your kinda a waste, but then again siting somewhere else 9-5 is also a waste so.

Eh, I can see why would someone think that. There are things that I disagree with more.