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WTF are you talking about? The Europeans that "killed and burned" the natives mostly stayed, they call themselves Americans now. Look at a map of America at the time of the revolution, and you'll see there was a lot of killing and displacing natives after the USA's independence. Don't blame this on modern day Europeans, blame this on your ancestors (assuming you're american).
I don’t disagree, but I feel like 600 years ago is too close to call them ancestors. Dunno the word, but ancestors makes me think of ancient humans from 7500+ years ago.
Though I do call them European Americans, because just Americans would be the indigenous peoples.
600 years ago is definitely enough to call a people the same people. The sociological, economic and political effects of exploration age barely came to an end even though the empires have been disbanded more than a hundred years ago. Even less of a duration if you consider how late the British Empire quit being an empire in name and somehow still keeps it in some places in practice. Or how French still how heavy sway on a lot of African, South Asian and some island nations.
The first of the new empires, American empire, became a world-dominion just a 2-3 decades ago.
Until the rest of the world get strong enough to worry about having only regional conflicts of interest again, and not at the risk of some global superpower of stolen wealth coming from the other side of the world, peoples will keep being the same people as current ones in the lives of each other.
White people coming in to steal your crates are still the same, only they do through impoverishment and dirt-cheap prices of corporate agency at first, and military later if the former isn't tolerated.
Native person here. Europe does not just get to absolve itself from the genocide that happened in North America. By upholding the systems that enacted the colonization in genocide of indigenous folk, the world over, you perpetuate and uphold the harm caused. This is your history, so this is your fault.