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Joseph Stalin
Didn't go far enough in denazifying the world, a consequence we now have to deal with today.
Stalin was not perfect; for instance, he stopped at Berlin. But he also defeated Hitler and built the Soviet Union into an industrial superpower.
I dont think the millions he was responsible for their deaths would agree.
You're right, the millions of Nazis and Trotskyites killed by Stalin probably would not agree that he had a positive impact on humanity. Thankfully I am neither a Nazi nor a Trotskyite. Which are you?
Right, let's ignore all of the people forced to relocate their homes
Stalin is definitely not "Arguably as bad as Hitler". The only major WWII leaders who were actually "Arguably as bad as Hitler" were Mussolini, Hirohito, Churchill, and Truman.
Let me guess... you are semi-communist so you like him but dont like the rest?
Right except the "semi-" bit.
Just a heads up, conflating the guy who did the holocaust and the guy who ended it is literally antisemitism. That's where like 90% of the hate for communism comes from, btw. That and ass-blasted slavers who now have to pay their employees humane wages because of unions.
This one guy posted a really good resource that explains this in more detail if you want to know more, I sadly don't have the link myself.
How many people did Stalin kill via policy or directly?
A fuck ton of nazis, but not enough.
You guys are aweful blood thirsty... I was actually referring to how many of his own people he killed.
Killing nazis is self defence, why do you feel the need to defend the indefensible? And I already know what you're getting at, the Black Book of Communism infamous for counting dead nazi soldiers as "victims" alongside a fuck ton of generous rounding and outright fabrications. Alongside the Victims of Communism memorial which literally celebrates actual nazis as well, you have to see what's going on there, right?
If you used the methodology that they used for the US today, the Victims of Capitalism would be in the infinites. Also while i'm here the Holodomor also affected people around the region of Ukraine and you never hear about those nations. Ask yourself why. It might have been a huge fuck-up but it was ultimately an accident unlike the actual genocide being carried out by the nazis. You have the soviets to thank for bringing an end to their tyranny because as history has proven, the rest of the nazi's rivals only really had a problem with them biting the hand that fed them, and would have had no problem allowing them to continue on their genocide once they backed off attacking them personally.
Point is, Hitler started the holocaust and Stalin ended it. To deny or obfuscate that fact is pretty demonstrable holocaust denial.