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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by tsugu@slrpnk.net to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

I use the apps my friends use but it gets tiring to keep up with so many.

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[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think most of your criticism makes sense.

The part about "not reading private messages" I think is mistaken, or rather, maybe amiss. I mean I don't have evidence, so this is all conjecture. The sophistication of data surveillance and data gathering makes the content of the message rather meaningless in my view.

EDIT: Oh, I don't think any adversaries of US, even if working together, make any meaningful threat towards it. It's really hard to imagine, esp. considering the US has a bunch of successful coups & stuff under their belt.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't saying the US doesn't spy on private messages, I was saying Signal is open source so it would be hard to hide a back door. So I don't see how any other E2E encrypted messages could be more secret then Signal. I guess obfuscating the messaging servers.

The sophistication of data surveillance and data gathering makes the content of the message rather meaningless in my view.

That's a fair point but I don't know if there's any other good solution to that.

[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah i'm rethinking some stuff too, even in some utopia i think some information related to me might make life inconvenient, so the best way to protect that (e.g. not disclosing it digitally) maybe needs outta the box solutions.

related, does anyone even bother to look at physical mail for stuff? like if i put a cipher in a letter with no return address, using that pen ink that you can erase (which comes back if you put it in a freezer) and only i and my contact have the key to the cipher which we exchanged in-person; could anyone reasonably know it?

it seems digital stuff might be a carrot for surveillance people, maybe it can be made into a honeypot and physical or analog means can make a return.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I think finding novel ways to communicate with a specific person and not be monitored is easy. The difficulty is opening a new line of communication on an already monitored one, communicating to new people, and one of those new people not blabbing.

After all, if you play on a private Minecraft server and spell out text with dirt blocks, I don't think anyone's going to bother writing code to analyze your Minecraft network traffic.