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Lincoln and JFK? No, wait, the two Roosevelts? No, Reagan and Lyndon Johnson? Jefferson and Washington?
If you're talking about Obama and Clinton, sure they were relatively charismatic compared to boring presidents like Bush Sr., Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and Richard Nixon. But, US history is filled with very charismatic presidents. Even Bush Jr. was fairly charismatic, that's how he managed to rile up the country to take part in the "War on Terra", and how showing up at ground zero and putting on a hard hat was so important for so many people.
The problem with Jeb Bush wasn't George Bush Jr., it was Jeb Bush. He wasn't very charismatic, wasn't a deep thinker, wasn't a leader, etc. The Bush name isn't toxic among Republicans, it's just that Jeb has even less charisma than Hillary Clinton.
As for what killed the GOP, it's much more complicated than just two somewhat charismatic Democratic presidents:
So, when the GOP was at a period where it was trying to figure out how to define itself, Trump arrived and defined it as the anti-establishment, dog-whistle racist, christian theocratic party.
JFK was pretty charismatic in the same way Clinton was. Lincoln was not charismatic, he had a high pitched voice that sounded like a screaming kettle according to sources.
There's obviously many factors in the GOP's decline, I'm just saying that a big part of it was the psychological effect of seeing voters from demographics who they thought were locked in republicans being willing and enthusiastic to vote for democrats