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I can't believe some of the points Linus made against the Fairphone, especially given he's onboard with the same compromises for the Framework laptop. ๐Ÿคญ

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[โ€“] abaddon@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I spend far more time dealing with issues in Windows than I do Manjaro. I only boot my windows partition when I absolutely have to

[โ€“] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

How many years have you been using Linux?

Also relevant:

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/6754380

[โ€“] abaddon@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fewer years than I've been using windows. 20 years of Linux, 25 years of Windows. I personally think the stigma that Linux has is due to the past. I would agree that it was difficult at points in the past.

The thing is that your 20 years greatly skews your perspective on what easy is compared to someone who has never used it. And I agree, it's never been better, but for a lot of people, it just isn't there yet.

My main issue with it is that it's so fractured, it's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness OSS often lacks standardisation and Linux is a victim of that.

Its slowly getting there, I mean I think it's awesome that SystemD is used by so many distros, it's some commonality between them all.

But then you get Ubuntu trying to be smart and using dash, then it breaks scripts and I want to scream. So there are those actively making it worse, lol.

[โ€“] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fuck, I made a hackintosh and windows was still more maintenance intensive if you're the type that doesn't like persistent problems. Most windows users just close error windows until something completely breaks and act dumb when I have to fix their shit. One time, Windows 10 auto update broke and I have to reinstall from scratch because none of the fixes worked. I spent about 10 times longer doing trouble shooting then I would have just doing a clean reinstall.

[โ€“] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup, and I've spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.

Linux is stable and repeatable, that's why it's great for servers. But I've wasted way too many hours of my life troubleshooting dumb problems that shouldn't even be problems and often I just say fuck it and rebuild it. I don't want to do that on my desktop thanks. Especially because sometimes I do random mindless shit. Look how Linus uninstalled his UI because he didn't know any better. The last time I uninstalled the entire UI on windows was when converting a Server 2012 machine to server core.

But I think the bottom line is, let people use what they want.

My friend only uses arch and there's a few games we want to play together but it doesn't work on Linux, there's also plenty of times we have to wait while he's troubleshooting shit when we want to play games.

He's an SRE with about 22 years of experience. It's not even a skill issue.

We often jokingly say "have you tried using windows?" or "this wouldn't happen on windows" and dumb shit like that. But he uses Arch and wr all accept that and that there are some issues and the things said are in jest. He sometimes hits us with the same shit. But overall we respect that we want different things from our PCs and I do enough of this shit at work for me to want to do anything at home besides click on some UI shit and things just work.

Its okay to be different and it's okay if you use Linux and I use windows, bashing on about how bad it is isn't winning any friends or favor and the general toxicity with this shit puts a lot of people off of even trying Linux.

[โ€“] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yup, and Iโ€™ve spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.

This is exactly what I did with windows (mostly 98 and XP) when I had a problem. Troubleshooting and fixing always took longer than just nuking and reinstalling. So I kept all my data on a separate partition/drive, with backups of bookmarks/emails/etc, so I could quickly and easily restore back to where I was.

Windows 7 was the bomb though, So fucking stable and issue free. Think I only had to nuke due to problems twice in the whole time I ran it, every other install was due to hardware failures/migrations. Such a good OS.

It really was. I like Win10 too, but not as much