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Stop using Brave Browser (www.spacebar.news)
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[–] Lafuma300@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No. Couldn't care less what the founder did or didn't do. We need as many non-Google browsers as possible. The problem with Brave is that it is a chromium browser.

[–] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I'd say being chromium makes it a Google browser...

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Brave works for what I need it to do. I don't like lending credence to bigots(secret or otherwise) but if someone is gonna say "don't use this browser" they need to list a replacement that has the same functionality. And it can't be "just use duckduckgo" because we all fucking have that on our phones and none of us can use it as our primary browser and we all know exactly why. 😒

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What's wrong with Firefox?

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

Nothing. I use it all the time.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It works almost exactly the same as Chrome.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me personally, the one and only reason I don't main Firefox is because it doesn't work with Chromecast and I use that a LOT. I would switch to FF tomorrow if I could easily and reliably cast with it.

[–] sederx@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

getting addicted to proprietary software is a terrible idea. this is just the first of many losses you will have if you stick to that tech

[–] ShooBoo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

A little slower, but nothing. Mullvad is pretty good. A mix of Firefox and Tor.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

no one wants to secure their web render so they'll always use whatever is native to the platform.

on windows that's chromium. on macos that's webkit.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What?

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

what's your confusion

[–] crazycaveman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Chromium isn't native to Windows. iOS is the only OS (I'm aware of) where browsers are forced to use a specific engine, but even that will be changing

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you're overthinking the word native.

[–] crazycaveman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

No, I'm not. Chromium doesn't exist in Windows unless you install a program that includes it. Chromium web engine is "native" to the chromium web browser, not to any OS (except maybe ChromeOS). As espi mentioned, Internet explorer's mshtml is the only engine "native" to Windows. Just look at the Opera browser, they changed web engines from Presto to chromium; that's not using "what's native to the platform" (Opera works across all OS's with chromium, except for iOS for the restriction I mentioned before), it's using what the developers/company want to use to render their pages. Nothing in Windows itself provides any of the chromium engine "pieces"

[–] zysarus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This was true until Edge transitioned to Chromium. Now the natively installed browser in Windows is Chromium based.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

careful, you used the word native.

Firefox users apparently get triggered by it.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because what you claim is wrong.

Microsoft programs that need a web rendering engine use MSHTML, not Chromium. MSHTML is baked into the operating system.

You can completely delete Edge from your computer and Windows will keep working fine.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Edge is using EMET for memory protections.

Chrome has EMET disabled because it's own memory protections conflict and it just won't execute.

When you're make a web view for Windows you're either bringing a long your own rendering or using Edge because it's included.

No one wants to secure their own rendering which is why they all use whatever is already there which is EMET which is a pita to test so they just go with Edge.

native is just jargon for "what is already there."

[–] Espi@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does this even mean. Chromium or Webkit are not "native" to an OS. OSs don't magically include browser engines, its not a critical component of an OS either.

Most OSs do come with browsers preinstalled, but they are programs just like any other. You can remove Safari from macOS (albeit its pretty hard because root is read only and signed), you can remove Edge from Windows. In my desktop with Windows 10 the only browser I have is Firefox (not even Edge), does that make Gecko the "native" browser engine?

If anything, the native browser engine for Windows would be MSHTML from Internet Explorer.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

you're overthinking the word native.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So what is "native to the platform" according to your definition?

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You're still not clarifying what you mean.