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MAGA freaks out after Fox News reports Obama in top 10 presidents — and Trump in dead last
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Buchanan was pretty terrible. I'm shocked that Trump was ranked even worse than him. He literally sat on the fence and let the country literally fall apart because he was afraid to do anything. Many think he could have avoided the civil war had he acted, but he was coward in the wrong place at the right time.
Trump sucks, easily in the bottom 5, and I could see an argument for him being the worst. But you have a big hill to climb to make the case for him to be substantially worse than Buchanan.
Ronnie Raygun sez....hold my beer.
This breaks rule 6 for advocating violence. Removed, 24 hour ban.
Both of those people are dead lmao
I get that you're quoting A Clockwork Orange, but out of context, this breaks rule 6 for advocating violence. Removed, 24 hour ban.
This breaks rule 6 for advocating violence. Removed, 24 hour ban.
Don't know US history- sounds like Buchanan did nothing, didn't avoid war. Trump actively went out if his way to cause division, push the country to civil war and enticed conflict from other states.
I guess it really depends on how it plays out. But, that being said, it wasn't so much that he did nothing but that he fence sat the entire time, just bidding his time so the next person could deal with it. . .and the country fell into a civil war that killed 2.5% of of the population of the country. That's a pretty bad outcome.
Remember Covid? We would have been better off if the buffoon would have sat on a fence, but no, he actively made it worse causing so many unnecessary deaths. He is by far the worst president ever and it's really not even a debate. He's sold classified information, caused an insurrection, and the list can literally go on for days. If he was president 100 years or so ago, he would have long been dead from being hung as a traitor.
Buchanan made the country worse through inaction, no doubt about it.
But Trump was by far the worst in how he actively tried to make the country worse for his benefit. Every other president has at least something they tried to do to improve the country. Trump only did things that benefited him personally.
Trump also made the world a worse place.
Spoiler: he's not done
I’d give it even odds that Trump ends up the proximal cause of the loss of the Republic. Easily the worst president in our history, and if reelected, the final president in our history.
Honestly Buchanan wasn't a great president, but I don't think it really would have mattered what actions Buchanan could have taken.
By the time he got into office civil war had all but been guaranteed as decades of kicking the can on the issue of slavery, combined with increasing resentment in the divide of the north and south culturally. Had created a powder keg that arguably was lit back during the start of bleeding Kansas years before he even became president.
And with how stubborn the south was on not letting go of slavery, well there really was no diplomatic solution by then. Hence kicking of the can all those years prior. Maybe he could have enacted decisions that delayed the war, but it would have only been a delay.
The only way civil war could have ever been prevented is if the founding fathers had told southerns to pound sand and outlaw slavery back during the signing of the constitution. That or maybe if the cotton gin had been invented a decade later
Can you briefly explain why we would have wanted to avoid the civil war? It freed the slaves and killed lots of slavers, didn’t it?
It also killed a lot of non-slavers and innocent civilians. Yes, slavery ending was a good thing, but there were possibly better ways for it to get done.