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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Feeling more safe with your own gender is something understandable. I also absolutely agree that woman are much more in the need of such feature. What I don't get and hate is targetting something that could be useful to anyone in need and slice it to work only for woman.

In the city I live there is a clinic that announced free medical help for people with risk or after heart attack. Those are not some support groups, you don't meet others and the clinic is mostly public funded for all. But they just decided to only offer this to woman, they advertise everywhere about free tests for woman. I asked some people from there and they have no idea why it is done that way, someone propably changed it and everyone accept it as ok.

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Please reread my comment and stop looking for a reason to be irritated and pissed off. There is no reason not to have services targeted directly at woman in particular considering the current state of the world.

Having a clinic focusing on women is not the same thing as lyft allowing women and nb to match with same gender. This isn't lyft automatically segregating, it will (or should be) a filter when ordering a ride same as selecting xl or premium, black, etc.

I don't have a problem with women having their own space same as I have no problem with men having a space to be "guys", as long as it's not built on misogyny and other bullshit. And with the growing number of nb and trans I don't have problem with those various groups having their own space to feel welcome and not like an outsider. But just like the clinic, it's not the same as being able to filter for a driver you would feel more comfortable with.

Honestly this sounds like you looking for a reason to be pissed off. Please don't give yourself a heart attack.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Okey, would your opinion be the same if instead Lyft would announce Man+, an option for man to drive more frequently with man or non-binary? There are plenty of man who would feel safer having their own space.

I have no problem and won't ever rage at choice, but Lyft choices feels like treating woman as a minority:

  • Switch off: man, woman, non-binary, trans, queer, ...
  • Switch on: woman, non-binary, trans, queer, ...

Why woman are being put in this group, but man not? It's not like they too are almost half of the society, aren't they? Also, how can someone not feel excluded, when there is literally a switch to turn off him because of the gender?

[–] rdyoung@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's not going to happen. You are looking for something to argue and be mad about.

Again. I'm betting you have no idea what women actually deal with and nb/trans/etc have it even worse. Just like people being offended by speedy gonzales and friends on behalf of Mexicans, I don't think most women would consider this making them a minority. It's also clear that you have no idea how this feature actually functions. First off learn the meanings of words because minority isn't the right term here. Maybe you mean infantilize which is also not accurate.

No men I know would be offended or would feel excluded by this. Mainly because some of us have an idea of what it's like for women who are dealing with a trauma from an abusive relationship, sexual assault, etc but also because we can't know when a rider picked that filter or any other. It's also because our manhood isn't so fragile as to be upset by this.

What about the people on empower who pick an xl or premium ride? I don't have a vehicle that matches that. Should I feel excluded because they didn't want to ride with me? What about the drivers who haven't had some riders add them as a favorite? Should they feel excluded despite not being able to know what every single person looking for a ride is using as a filter?

There is usually enough demand that for every "lost" ride because a woman filtered on gender, I'll have multiple others to choose from. This isn't the problem you think it is and you probably need to go outside and touch some grass.

Please also find the nearest woman and ask them how they feel about this and don't be offended on their behalf or decide for all women how they should feel about something. Especially when it's clear that you have never been in a relationship with a woman.

I'm finished here. It's clear that don't want to discuss in good faith and you just want to be mad about something that is only bad in your head.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Imagine what if you were talking to actually sexually abused person. He asks why as a man he cannot have such protective feature too and as reponse instead of any empathy from you got dry calculated explanation as if he didn't know about female being abused, with mixed ad hominem ended by "talk to a woman".