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It's not because we don't think problems should be talked about, it's that you're comparing a functional adult to Trump and acting like you can't tell the difference. I'll help, there's only one real difference: Biden isn't a fucking traitor. That's the one that we care about.
So drop the act, bud. This one is too simple even for the dullards like me to forget: Trump is a traitor, Biden is not, and we don't vote for traitors.
Nope
Biden is a better president than trump, that's indisputable.
That doesn't mean Biden is good enough to be president.
Hell, I don't even know you, but I fell confident you're better than trump. If you wouldn't support a genocide, I'd say you're a better option than both of them.
It's a pretty low bar, lots of potential candidates not only would be a better president, but more importantly have a better chance of winning the election.
Hey, I want AOC to run, but until then I'm not going to discourage people from voting for the only candidate who's not going to piledrive the US headfirst into the dirt.
So again, drop the act. Yeah you want a better candidate than Biden, great; that's not the choice. The choice is Biden or Trump. If you don't vote for Biden, your voting for Trump. If you don't believe that fine, stop reading; if you do, there's nothing more to say anyway.
You still don't get it...
This is the same shit we went thru with Hillary.
Biden is unpopular. He will depress turnout. Depressed turnout is how republican presidents are made.
I hope some day you get that, but I'm not explaining it again.
YOU still don't get it. On the surface, you act like Biden and Trump are the same, when they're not. It's nice you think I'd make a better president than Trump, but a literal rock would make a better president as that's incapable of treason.
Unless you have a plan to change the Democratic nominee this year, all you're doing is depressing voter turnout by encouraging people to forget one simple fact: Biden is not a traitor.
I do hope you'll understand someday soon, but until then you can have this block, because I'm not explaining it again.
How many genocides did trump actively support?
Fucking 0?!?!?!?
You mean besides the one he wants to start when he's elected?
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/11/13/trump-hitler-vermin-nazi-biden
There was also his threat to nuke North Korea, which would be a genocide.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapon-north-korea-2017-blaming-someone-rcna65120
Then there was his threat of cultural genocide in Iran...
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/06/794006073/trump-says-hell-target-iran-s-cultural-sites-that-s-illegal
And of course there's the genocides that Trump wouldn't admit ever happened.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/trump-administration-declines-label-rohingya-slaughter-genocide-report/story?id=58055717
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/trump-administration-armenian-genocide/index.html
As far as his Israeli policy? He acknowledged that Israel's claim that Jerusalem, a city divided between Israelis and Palestinians, was Israel's capital, pretty much ending any hope for peace.
https://apnews.com/article/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7
So sure, he did not literally directly support an ongoing genocide... but I think it's clear that he would.
He threatens a lot of shit.
Lmk when Mexico pays for that wall.
Good job ignoring every single link I posted and only going with the very first sentence of my post.
I'm assuming you didn't even read the rest based on that.
I don’t think he will be able to pull it off.
I care more about the fact that Biden sold himself to us as a good guy and turned around and did this.
To me the man turned his back on my loyalty to him, and he just continues to do so.
He says “Oh no too violent” then sends more bombs
Why don't you think he will be able to pull it off?
Are you aware of Project 2025?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
I’m also aware of project Mexico will pay for the wall , yet I see no wall and what little bit of it did get made we paid for
That was not a united Republican project. That was a Trump claim.
Do you really not understand the difference?
This was 10,000 dead children, 20,000 innocent people, if we believe Israel’s estimate of every strike getting 1/3 Hamas and 2/3 civilian.
Do you really not see the difference?
I do not trust Biden anymore, I did and then he did this.
What’s next?
You are afraid of what trump says he will do, I’m more afraid of the next thing Biden doesn’t say he will do.
I had a thing typed out but my conscience won’t let me directly root for someone to die early.
So, it would be best for the world if neither of them were valid candidates before November.
Failing that, alive things can be fixed.
Dead is just dead, no take backs, no trying, just done.
Every single one, 20,000 second chances to succeed, 20,000 potential chances to be the one to end the war, 20,000 potential chances to elevate the rights of queer people everywhere, gone.
No, I'm afraid of what Trump will do based on what he has already done.
But you've already told me to allow my daughter to suffer as long as she doesn't die for the sake of others, so I'm not really interested in your opinion.
He committed more US troops to help the Saudis against Yemen.
So maybe after trump wins this time you guys will meet us on the side of supporting a president that isn’t sending bombs to kill innocent children.
If you keep letting them support genocidal actions win the vote when someone else would have easily won just by not supporting genocidal actions, then you get what you deserve.
Have fun dealing with your shit sandwich, maybe after trump 2 electric boogaloo y’all will stop supporting the killing of innocent babies
Trump absolutely sent bombs to kill children. Sometimes he even authorized the drone strikes himself. Trump has also proven to be a massive supporter of Israel so I don't see why people think it would be better or even different with Trump.
Plus he's a rapist and a traitor, and a racketeer, a compulsive liar, narcissist and many other terrible things we should never see in a president.
Did we lose 10,000 of them directly because of his actions?
Or did we lose those because Biden decided to directly support Israel?
As opposed to every president the US has had since the 1940s? Quit avoiding the question. Do you honestly believe it would be better under Trump? Or can you be honest and admit it would most likely be even worse and that he would also let Russia steamroll Ukraine?
Do I honestly believe it I don’t know. It would probably be better for us in America if Biden won.
But here’s the thing I don’t care what the rest of the presidents did
It was wrong when they did it. It’s wrong now.
Does them doing something else wrong make it right for me to do something wrong?
How many dollars per life are you willing to trade before you say fuck you were not supporting any of y’all give us something real.
Long-term, maybe trump 2 will wake people the fuck up like we thought they did with a version one.
See the problem was people look at Trump and think oh we beat him. It’s over and they don’t remember how bad it was.
So now it’s time to make it bad again today so they remember more next time.
You’re asking us to stand with you, but saying what we care about doesn’t matter.
If y’all don’t care about any of us, why would we stand with you?
I won’t stand with them either.
Fuck you both, figure it out yourselves.
I’m not going to be with you to keep the status quo. I want something better.
Trump is the end of democracy in the US. Not something better. You're either a disingenuous troll or there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Blocked.
Apparently, they think you should be willing to let your child be tortured in a gay conversion camp to stop the Palestinian genocide, and that it'd just be like not giving your kid ice cream because of world hunger.
They're delusional, and I hope to God they're just young and naive.
Yeah. Even if you ignored all of Trump's Nazi rhetoric and persecution of minorities I don't get why they think Trump would stop the genocide in Palestine. Netanyahu is exactly the kind of strong man bully that Trump idolizes.
I don’t think he would. That’s why I didn’t vote for him either.
oh, do me, too!
Gladly.
@Algaroth thank god
We don't actually know because the Trump administration removed transparency on drone attacks. Could've been 5000. Could be 20000. It certainly does not bode well that they hid that.
Better a traitor than a genocidal action supporting motherfucker.
They're not mutually exclusive and Trump will do the same or worse as has already been seen.
Also, you're wrong.
See you say that, but he was in office and we still supported 0 genocides.
So the total score is 0 genocides to 1
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't be taken seriously. The idea that Biden is supporting genocide and that Trump didn't and/or won't is absurd on its face. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Biden or his administration, but you're misleading (at best) when you act like Biden is the greater threat. He's not. That's an objective fact. Anyone arguing otherwise is not operating in good faith.
So, you are applying what you think might happen compared to me applying what has actually happened.
History hasn't happened? Trump didn't enable a shitload of dictators already? He hasn't constantly expressed adoration for authoritarians around the world? He hasn't explicitly stated he would do the same thing again? Trump, the person who was so tough on Bibi? Trump, the person who moved our embassy in Israel?
It's like history reset the moment Biden was inaugurated. All the horrible awful shit Trump has and will continue to enable doesn't matter anymore for some reason (or it straight up didn't happen apparently). You're living in a completely different reality than the rest of the planet I guess?
If you said "Biden is bad because of X and Trump is worse because of Y" we'd be having a totally different conversation, but you don't want to do that do you? You said none of it happened. You don't want to make that comparison because it shows us one of two things (maybe both idk):
Fuck Trump and fuck Biden. They are both public toilets waiting to happen.
Show me someone else, oh wait even ducking Biden admits 50 other democrats could beat trump.
We all know that you guys will vote for whoever it is, so that means that y’all are sticking with him.
I assume out of fear, you could run a fucking solid commie against trump and it wouldn’t change his fucking stats much.
This is an anti trump fucking fight and the figurehead doesn’t matter, you are proving that right now, and could have run anyone and the people whose main goal is “not trump” would not change.
None of which ran. You're absolutely right, the figurehead doesn't matter at this point. That's why spending all of your time bitching about Biden, who is the most viable option RIGHT NOW, and completely ignoring that there is literally one other option is pointless. You're just trying to convince people the best of two bad options is still bad. Everyone knows that. How is that productive? There is not a single progressive candidate that can win the 2024 general election for president. This has already happened. You cannot change your options for 2024. There is Biden or Trump. Those are your options for the general election. You don't like Biden, great. Join myself and all the others working on primarying conservative Democrats (like Joe Biden) out of the party.
And again, if you think Biden and Trump are equal threats: you have no idea what you're talking about.
You do realize that Israel was not suddenly funded and armed by the US when Biden was elected, right? Trump's administration gave them plenty of money and weapons, and showed strong support for Netanyahu. He empowered an apartheid regime, and when recently asked about the Palestinian genocide, he said he wouldn't accept any Palestinian refugees.
So, your position puts you in favor of denying Palestinian refugees while their genocide continues. You'd prefer for Trump to have a genocide of 1.5 (or whatever denying genocide refugees would be worth numerically) vs Biden at 1, because Trump happened to not be in power when Israel decided to use their weapons from the US to ramp up airstrikes.
Oh! And you are aware that this genocide has been going on for a while now right? Not just since 2021? So Trump was not only in support of a genocide, he was buddy buddy with Netanyahu. At least Biden seems to hate the man.
I truly don't understand your logic. You've willfully contorted yourself to give Trump a pass to instead criticize Biden.
Fuck Donald Trump. Is that clear enough for you?
I never thought Biden’s was that great of a present, but he was exactly what I expected, a middle of the line milquetoast gonna pull off what he can thing.
Then he kept giving weapons to the Israelis, I can’t forgive that.
Unfortunately these are the two options you have. One of the two will happen anyway even if you abstain.
But trump also supports Israel and thinks Israel should have exclusive claim over Jerusalem??!
Is correct point of view, though. Many people see great leader like Putin and agree that elections of weak Biden are not good. I too am a concerned Leftie Swift who is also transgender and of color.
They’re both poop, so just preferring the smell of one steaming pile over the other doesn’t make it better. Turning and burning in the sun and fertilize healthier crops may.
Biden has been one of the most progressive presidents in decades. But you didn't get your cookies and milk, so he's poop. Got it.