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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. (insideevs.com)

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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

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[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What? Of course you can store power for weeks. It doesn't just dribble out onto the floor. Go away for a month and come home, your EV is still sitting there with the battery charge whatever you left it on.

Yes, EVs use their stored energy for driving... I'm not sure what your point was there. Do you think transporting hydrogen is free and doesn't cost energy?

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, it doesn't dribble on the floored, but to keep the battery conditioned takes a lot of energy. There are countless post around all sorts of forums where the battery was empty after 2 weeks, because cooking the battery in the summer heat took a lot of energy. And you can't leave an EV plugged in at the Airport.

Transporting hydrogen is cheaper than having to rebuild a whole power grid.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to rebuild the whole grid. The power over night goes up, but that's OK because night is currently very low usage. Sometimes that has meant turning off renewables as there is no where to put the power. In fact, this can cause negative power costs were they will pay you to take power! So next is where you need it, say a charging forecourt. But that is only during the day, so put in some huge batteries you charge over night. Top up with day time renewables if you can. All this already happens.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's the case for Germany or the UK, not Japan. Bit different there.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago

I know nothing about Japan's grid. How it different?

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 1 points 9 months ago

I've parked mine outside in the Australian summer. It didn't magically lose energy. The battery is a dense insulated brick on the bottom of the vehicle, so it doesn't really get hot enough to need cooling even when it's 40C / 104F and you park in the sun.

You can drain the battery in a few weeks, but you need something running like Sentry Mode consuming power.